Professionalism vs Disability 12

[1DMF]

Hi,

I noticed this forum and the premise of what discussions are meant to take place

The words we use and how we use them often reflect our professionalism.

As I have recently been prelimilary diagnosed with Dyspraxia, I was wonder how this fitted in with the concept that our words and the way we use them reflect our profesionalism.

I often find I use the wrong words, mispell them, transpose them and even sometimes offend quite accidently and unintentionally.

Many based on this would say it's because I am unprofessional, especialy using the concept of this forum...

Well now it turns out it's because I have a disability, so wouldn't assuming someones professionalism based on their literary skills actualy be discrimination.

How does one change or improve these skills if it is based on a physical way the brain is wired, if you are born with dyspraxia, there is nothing that can be done to change the way your brain interprets things or the way you express yourself.

You cannot always tell that some one may be suffering from Dyslexia or Dyspraxia, and I know we all make assumptions, concious or not, so how can one deal with this?

You cannot teach someone with torrets to stop swearing or someone with parkinson disease to stop shaking.

So how do you go about changing something which is inherently hard wired wrong.







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[CajunCenturion]

Guys, we're getting close to a gray line. It's very true that ESL situations can lead to misunderstanding and lead us to incorrect conclusions and what is and is not being said. That is precisely the focus of this forum.

However, it's not appropriate to discuss the policies of Tek-Tips and talk about whether or posts or threads violate any those policies. As I said, it's a very gray line, especially in this setting and with this topic. We cannot, nor should we avoid the overlap. I'm not saying that anyone has crossed the line; I'm just ask that everyone please proceed respectfully.

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[1DMF]

On an interesting side note, does lack of linguistic skills define lack of professionalism.

Can you be professional if you don't have the ability to articulate yourself?

Would it be possible to be professional in a job in a country you cannot speak the language or al least not well enough to be considered professional if you were native to that country?

And is not being able to speak another language a disability?

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[CajunCenturion]

==> On an interesting side note, does lack of linguistic skills define lack of professionalism.
A lack of linguistic skills in and of themselves do define a lack of professionalism. It's not a disability, but rather, a deficiency. What does impact professionalism, in my opinion, is whether one recognizes the deficiency and if so, what they choose to do about it.

==> And is not being able to speak another language a disability?
Not in my opinion. I consider is a deficiency and it becomes an issue based on whether it's a need, and if so, what is done about it.

==> Would it be possible to be professional in a job in a country you cannot speak the language or at least not well enough to be considered professional if you were native to that country?
Yes, especially if you're taking steps to remedy the deficiency.

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[FredWagner]

In my experience, with someone whose second language is my first language, their care and precision in speaking in my language establishes most of my initial estimate of their professionalism and their technical skill. If I can't understand them clearly, it takes a lot longer for me to have confidence in their technical ability.

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[1DMF]

I guess us English speaking as our first language are lucky in some respects as it is considered acceptable to expect people to speak English in business.

It wan't always the case, it used to be French, especially the 1st language of the court, in relationship to royalty.

But as the poor posterfound out in the above metnioned thread, not being able to articulate themselves in what is considered the forums 'main' language , can give totaly the wrong impression.

Regardless of how professional or proficient they may actually be!

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[Thadeus]

reminds me:
"Oeuf means egg, chapeau means hat. It’s like those French have a different word for everything.” ~Steve Martin

...and my thought in response, "that would be 'tous'"...

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[Sympology]

I guess I'm lucky in that I have to work with Romaninas on a regular basis, so I'm more receptive of the quirks that come with dealing with people that not only speak English as a second language, but also speak French and Italian as well.

As for not speaking the language being a disability, then yes, it can be classed as such, if you use the Social Model definaition, as opposed to the medical Definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability

I know Wiki is not the most reliable source, but this is pretty much spot on.

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[1DMF]

As for not speaking the language being a disability, then yes, it can be classed as such, if you use the Social Model definaition, as opposed to the medical Definition.

Interesting it certainly comes under "participation restrictions", next time I go abroad and someone speaks to me in a language I don't understand, It would be quite correct to reply "Sorry I'm disabled"

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[KenCunningham]

Sympology, I'm intrigued, are these 'Romaninas' the same as Romanians? Which raises another point to me, we (in the UK) used to call the country Rumania in my youth, but Romania seems to have been adopted as the accepted spelling more recently. Anyway, running into a bit of pond herbiage here, my apologies.

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[2ffat]

Maybe Romaninas refers to female Romanians. ;-)


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[Sympology]

That's what happens when your finger tips are split and your pc is on the point of collapse. Time for a rebuild, both of the finger tips and the pc.

Romanians aka Rumanians (I belive the French still use this variant).

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[hjgoldstein]

The French call it Roumanie

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