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Where Rap came from
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KenCunningham
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Desiderata perhaps?
I want to be good, is that not enough?
I want to be good, is that not enough?
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Well, if you want to go THERE, how about "The Music Man" with Robert Preston? That was made in 1962, and was most definately a "rap" along to the sound of the train at the opening of the movie...
There are some that argue that it was the first rhythmic "Rap".
Just my 2¢
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There are some that argue that it was the first rhythmic "Rap".
Just my 2¢
-Cole's Law: Shredded cabbage
--Greg
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A I thought that whole thing he did at the beginning of Music Man was great!
In fact (Worthless trivia moment) when they were making the movie "The Last Starfighter" (which was the last movie that Preston was in), the producer specifically wanted Preston because he wanted the high-speed talking sales pitch con-man style that he did in the Music Man.
And now you know. ;-)
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In fact (Worthless trivia moment) when they were making the movie "The Last Starfighter" (which was the last movie that Preston was in), the producer specifically wanted Preston because he wanted the high-speed talking sales pitch con-man style that he did in the Music Man.
And now you know. ;-)
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This article ( traces the origins of rap music back to the 1960s in Jamaica.
Michael52x
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There is no need for talent in rap. It is just a lot of shuck and jive bull, with an in your face attitude.
If any "rapper" talked to me like that, I would definitely knock some "bling" out his mouth.
Rap is crap.
"Impatience will reward you with dissatisfaction" RMS Cosmics'97
If any "rapper" talked to me like that, I would definitely knock some "bling" out his mouth.
Rap is crap.
"Impatience will reward you with dissatisfaction" RMS Cosmics'97
KenCunningham
Technical User
...I don't know, but I've been told...
Stripes wasn't it?
I want to be good, is that not enough?
Stripes wasn't it?
I want to be good, is that not enough?
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And yet... look what it gets you....
Scroll to the bottom... Eminem's house....
Just my 2¢
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AnotherHiggins
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There's been some interesting reading in this thread.
- Lots of rap contains intelligent lyrics
- There's a good chance that at least some of the music you love contains vulgarities, sexual innuendo, unimaginative composition and poorly-written lyrics
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- Not all rap is gangsta rapMichael52x said:
- Lots of rap contains intelligent lyrics
- There's a good chance that at least some of the music you love contains vulgarities, sexual innuendo, unimaginative composition and poorly-written lyrics
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Well, I'm glad to see this discussion has embraced many influences of rap. As a musician, singer/song writer, I've written songs of just about every style in the past 20+ years. I've written a couple of "rap" songs. I really don't care much for the genera as a whole, there is always something in it I can find that I like.
Don't make the mistake of just because you don't appreciate it, or like the "style" doesn't mean it's "crap". Nor does it mean that those who are doing it are talentless. I'm the first to wish the popularity of the genera were dead and buried, but, I challenge you to actually engineer all the elements that make a popular rap song. You will find it is no where nearly as easy as it "sounds". And we (natural human behavior) tend to trivialize the complexity of activities we don't appreciate... Not a criticism, just something to think about.
Best Regards,
Scott
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, and no simpler."![[hammer]](/data/assets/smilies/hammer.gif "[hammer] [hammer]")
Don't make the mistake of just because you don't appreciate it, or like the "style" doesn't mean it's "crap". Nor does it mean that those who are doing it are talentless. I'm the first to wish the popularity of the genera were dead and buried, but, I challenge you to actually engineer all the elements that make a popular rap song. You will find it is no where nearly as easy as it "sounds". And we (natural human behavior) tend to trivialize the complexity of activities we don't appreciate... Not a criticism, just something to think about.
Best Regards,
Scott
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, and no simpler."
And as a musician, Scott, I'm sure you recognize which of these songs have musical components, and which do not. A "song" consisting of rhythmically-spoken lyrics over a repetitive (and sometimes stolen) lick/drum track is not music. Period.
Well, one thing is true, though. No other "genre" can be so easily demised as rap.
![[wink]](/data/assets/smilies/wink.gif "[wink] [wink]")
c.......rap
c......rap
c.....rap
c....rap
Well, you get the picture. I think that maybe there is some sort of magnetism at play here. Not sure, but it just seems inevitable.
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Bandenjamin
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Wow some pretty narrow minded statements here on the validity of Rap music as a genre.
Personally I'm not a huge fan but I can appreciate the level of work and talent that someone like Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Tu-Pac Shakur,.....etc put in to mastering their craft.
KJV,
Have to disagree, Polka can be even more easily dismissed. I'd have a hard time dismissing a multi-billion dollar industry that seems to be consistently gaining ground. A lot of people like the music and there are some incredibly talented individuals making it.
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Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
Mark Twain
Personally I'm not a huge fan but I can appreciate the level of work and talent that someone like Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Tu-Pac Shakur,.....etc put in to mastering their craft.
KJV,
Have to disagree, Polka can be even more easily dismissed. I'd have a hard time dismissing a multi-billion dollar industry that seems to be consistently gaining ground. A lot of people like the music and there are some incredibly talented individuals making it.
--Dan
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
Mark Twain
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I liked the "Old school" rap, actually.....
Boogie Boys
Run DMC
The Fat Boys
Their stuff was musical, fun, original.... and not filled with the "F" word....
Just my 2¢
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--Greg
Boogie Boys
Run DMC
The Fat Boys
Their stuff was musical, fun, original.... and not filled with the "F" word....
Just my 2¢
-Cole's Law: Shredded cabbage
--Greg
Bandenjamin,
My post there was (and I thought it was obvious enough) purely tongue in cheek.
Hence... I said...
"...EASILY..."
I illustrated with that little play...
In other words... no other can so easily be denigrated just by adding a letter to the word.
Of course the same thing has been mentioned in this and one other thread - the one which seemed to have birthed this one.![[smile]](/data/assets/smilies/smile.gif "[smile] [smile]")
Of course, I don't personally dislike rap any more or less than any other genre. Regardless of how good something might sound to my carnal ear at times, I choose to stay away from all secular music as much as humanly possible. I don't own any of it any longer (that I know of), and I do not purposefully listen to any such radio stations.
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My post there was (and I thought it was obvious enough) purely tongue in cheek.
Hence... I said...
"...EASILY..."
I illustrated with that little play...
In other words... no other can so easily be denigrated just by adding a letter to the word.
Of course the same thing has been mentioned in this and one other thread - the one which seemed to have birthed this one.
Of course, I don't personally dislike rap any more or less than any other genre. Regardless of how good something might sound to my carnal ear at times, I choose to stay away from all secular music as much as humanly possible. I don't own any of it any longer (that I know of), and I do not purposefully listen to any such radio stations.
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"If to err is human, then I must be some kind of human!" -Me
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