What about R10 ? 19

[hibroth]

Does anyone know when is planned R10?

 

[IPGuru]

It may even be an atempt to tighten security even further.

however history sugests to me that it will be free this release & then at some point in a new releaser they will start charging
Just like when they introduced muppet mode so that they could eventialy start charging for standard mode.


Do things on the cheap & it will cost you dear

 

[amriddle01]

It's not about multi tenanting, it's all about the money, that Avaya's favourite song

 

[ipohead]

I came across an old invoice from 2003 for an IPOffice 403 + BRI 8 for GBP2088 (say USD3000). Today's equivalent is probably IPOffice 500 V2 + Combo card BRI + SD card + Essentials licence which depending on where you get the prices from is about a third of the cost. I'm not sure if this is because IT hardware is coming down in price or if Avaya are moving costs from hardware to licencing.

 

[slim187m]

Well not knowing how or what IPOSS, or the PLDS will bring or work, I guess we'll just have to wait and see...in the meantime, what other systems are you guys installing that at least come close to IPO flexability that perhaps just has everything available to all users without the flood of licenses and somewhat simple to config?

 

[slim187m]

Yes ipohead, our quotes seem to be getting pretty insulting here

 

[amriddle01]

It's because they moved to licencing. When they first introduced endpoint licences instead of VCM channels a 500 system using the old licencing could easily be 40% cheaper than the new licencing model, that's an overnight change mind.

Bear in mind the IP Office was ahead of it game at the point where 400's were around and so desirable, yet expensive. Now it's lagging behind yet costs more than the competition, despite Avaya's claims to the contrary

 

[amriddle01]

If they ditched the stupid requirements for Preferred and user licencing for NATd phones and made it actually work consistently we would have sold double the systems we have, that's no exaggeration, instead we have to sell a Mitel 5000....

 

[intrigrant]

IP Office was and still is a desirable system for many markets but now CM\Aura sales dropped significant they tend to compensate the loss there in the IP Office market.
As CM has always being promoted as a "Fortune 500" system and the IP Office as a "SMB" system they might come up with new targets :
CM/Aura for the "fortune 10" (because it is amazingly expensive) and the IP Office for the remaining "Fortune 490" as it is not as expensive as a CM\Aura but is is getting close.
What is left for the "SMB" market? The competetors who are drinking on that and are very confident about the upcoming years.

I consider myself fortunate to have worked with IP Office and I will until my upcoming retirement, for all the others I would advise : check out the competetors and join a winning team, it most certainly won't be Avaya.

 

[amriddle01]

What do you think they'll do with the essential edition licence? Now that Basic is going how can they still charge for it? No doubt they will and hope nobody complains

 

[slim187m]

I've seen Mitel Come up in discussions quite a bit. Are they a pretty solid system with noteworthy features and minimal to none bug issues?

 

[slim187m]

Also, are they competitively priced and not so complex to configure?
Maybe a question for the Mitel forum...sorry

 

[Johnhyde]

We find that we loss deals because of the cost of the handsets as the competitors are far more cheaper especially when you add the end point licence cost.

SME - under 50 user, no free CTI app so adding one x with preferred edition, the competitors are far more cheaper

Server edition - when you add a IP500 to the cost along with the PRI card, VCM, the competitors are far more cheaper..

 

[slim187m]

Been checking competitors on and off all day. No one else seems to come close to the IPO offer so far. Thought Toshiba may even be a good fit but finding they and all others pretty much suck. Time to find a new career

 

[AACon]

I'd probably get into shortel if necessary. I used to set those up all the time, I didn't hate them. Wonder how they are doing now...haven't touched one since 2005 or so.

-Austin
I used to be an ACE. Now I'm just an Arse.

 

[tlpeter]

slim187m, Mitel is not easier to install but it is rock solid.
Phones look better too.
It is a totally different system so look at it that way.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

 

[IPOfficeGuru]

We are looking at Mitel MiCloud. Phones look great !!

"Never fear billing a client for services rendered, or they will think your time is worthless"

 

[amriddle01]

Mitel and Aastra merged, those handsets will be Aastra I imagine as they dropped/are dropping the popular 53xx series

 

[AvantiWade]

We are partnering with Unify/Atos, no idea on the pricing yet which is scary but management of the system looks quite a bit more simplified and cleaner than IPO's cobbled together multiple management interfaces.

 

[derfloh]

What I've seen from (not the most actual) Siemens/Unify systems programming looks not very simple...

 

[AvantiWade]

I'm only looking at OpenScape Business, the other systems might be more convoluted but the run through I have seen of OSB looked great. Everything was in one place, vs ipo where you need to go into VM Pro app, One X Portal web interface, IPO Manager. Updates are handled in the system, it downloads the firmware/software and runs the install for you, no seeking out downloads for your correct version, etc. Client side applications are stored on the unit so you can easily distribute applications to users, again no more hunting avaya's portal for apps. The documentation has been great so far because Germans be Germans.