What has this industry come to - $12/hour??? 1

[BG12424]

I just saw this posting on CareerBuilder for a position in the Chicagoland area for a web developer. Can you believe that they are wanting to only pay $12/hour? Check out the post.

The post:>>
Internet Development Company in Lisle, IL is looking for a part-time turning into full time web developer. Working 20-25 flexible hours a week in our office, the web developer will have knowledge of backend functionality of websites, Java Scripting, C++, ASP, Dream Weaver and Database Creation. No certification or degree is necessary but a good working knowledge of internet technologies. Starting hourly at $12.00 per hour.

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Are you trying to debug your ASP applications? See faq333-3255 for more details

regards,
Brian

 

[shadyness]

Those are some pretty good points. And Carp I totally agree with your &quot;degree required&quot; statement. And IT is a buyers market right now. I saw a posting not too long ago, which was around the Sacramento, California area looking for a DBA/Developer, offering $15 an hour. I don't know who can afford to work for that amount and has the skills the posting requested. The only real hope I am hanging onto right now, is that despite the economy, the second quarter is traditionally better for hiring than the last 4-5 months. <== Some people say they are afraid of heights. With me its table widths. ==>

 

[algernonsidney]

And people on this board wonder why I keep telling people to get out of IT.

Chris

 

[Morsing]

$12/h seems ok to me. That's what I started on. Why do you expect IT to be the only career where you don't work your way up from the bottom??

I my experience it goes:

3. Experience.
5. You would like to do this job.
4. Certifications.
2. Degrees.
1. Who you know.

Please remember that you cannot get an education in what you're certified in. That's two completely different things.

Cheers Henrik Morsing
Certified AIX 4.3 Systems Administration
& p690 Technical Support

 

[CajunCenturion]

algernonsidney - And people on this board wonder why I keep telling people to get out of IT.

What you do for yourself is you own business, and you should follow your own instincts and do what you feel is right.

What I wonder about is why you keep telling people that what you think is right is what they should do. Just because IT doesn't have enough money in it right now for you, does not mean that is not the correct career choice for anyone.

Once more people follow the money, and pursue those field which are lucrative right now, such as nursing, the supply of IT personnel will do down, the quality of IT professionals will go up, and compensation rates will go correspondingly rise. Good Luck
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As a circle of light increases so does the circumference of darkness around it. - Albert Einstein

 

[algernonsidney]

In my view, telling people to get out of IT is a public service.

Chris

 

[shadyness]

In my view, telling people to get out of IT is a public service.
--algernonsidney

that was epic. nice one. <== Some people say they are afraid of heights. With me its table widths. ==>

 

[KornGeek]

To touch on a few things:
1) shadyness, I like your signature. It's clever and unique, and it made me smile. Thank you.

2) If people leave IT simply because somebody in an online forum suggested it, then they probably are the people we wanted to leave anyway.

3) I'm fortunate I'm already employed. I have no degree in any field. I've found that employers often want to see a degree, even if it's not in CS. This is because it shows discipline, the ability to set and achieve goals, and a variety of other things. My problem is that many employers see a lack of degree and immediately disqualify me (even before things turned hairy). However, my angle has always been to somehow get them to grant me an interview. This gives me an opportunity to show them that I have experience and knowledge.

In one interview, they actually handed me a sheet of paper and a pencil and asked me to write a C function. They left the room and gave me about 5 minutes. Although I'm sure it would have had some problems compiling (I often have issues with correct syntax in a language), they were mostly looking to see if I could devise the logic in a short period of time. What impressed them the most was that when they came back, I not only had it completed, but I was optimizing the code already.

In my experience, who you know is always the most important. Degrees, certifiations, etc. can help you get the interview. How you interview is what determines if you get the job.

 

[palbano]

>> 2) If people leave IT simply because somebody in an
>> online forum suggested it, then they probably are the
>> people we wanted to leave anyway.

LOL Amen!

>> they actually handed me a sheet of paper and a pencil

no whiteboard? that's not a good sign! LOL

-pete

 

[FSM]

Not only the sarcasm but the good advise made me laugh a couple of times, I.T. UNITED!!!!

Cheers guys!!!

FSM

&quot;Out of clutter, find Simplicity.
From discord, find Harmony.
In the middle of difficulty lies Opportunity&quot;
-Albert Einstein

 

[flapeyre]

Ten years ago, I took a course at a vo-tech school to learn Synon/2E on the AS/400. Since Synon/2E could not be installed on the school's machine due to the machine's incompatibility, they taught us RPG III instead. We finally managed to learn a little Synon for about a month at the end of the 9-month course.

Upon &quot;graduation&quot; (if you can call it that), the company which had sponsored the course did not hire students from our class (they hired our instructor instead!!). So I remained gainfully unemployed (and unemployable) for the next four months. I was handing out resumes left and right. No nibbles. Finally, I gave up on getting a programming job and started looking for anything that would put cornflakes on the table. I went to a shipyard and applied for a job putting fiberglass resin on ship hulls, paying $5.00/hour. I filled out their application and attached, as an afterthought, my resume which listed the vo-tech class.

They called me the next day and said they needed an AS/400 programmer. The place was going out of business, and I knew that, but it got my foot in the door, and that has led to other AS/400 (now i-Series 400) jobs.

The point here is, I have 2 years of college credits, plus the vo-tech class, but no degree (ran out of money. Hint: Don't charge your tuition on a credit card!). At this point in my career, I don't think getting a sheepskin will help me financially enough to offset the substantial expense of actually getting one. My current employer recognizes the value that I contribute to the organization. In the six or so years I have been here, I have enjoyed salary increases every year. I may not get into management without a degree, but I'm not a management-style person. I prefer being a worker bee, as long as management doesn't rock the hive.

There are times when I get frustrated, too, but I have learned that all you can do is tell the higher-ups what you think. If they're smart, they will listen.

$12/hour? In 1993, I would have been happy to get $5.00/hr. for a job 70 miles away that started at 7:00 AM. Fortunately, the programming job paid more (not much more, but at least I never missed a mortgae payment).
&quot;Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia.&quot;
--Charles Schultz