english football terms 2

[Olaf Doschke]

Hi all,

I am a German, speaking and writing english quite good, but not perfect.

As the football championships is in germany this year, I want to design some welcome t-shirts with old german football sayings (pointingnesses?).

First of all I know in british english the game is called "football", in american english it's "soccer", right?

And "game" is the game itself, if I want to talk about England vs. Germany playing 90 minutes that is called a "match", right? In germany these two are called the same: "Spiel".

And each match is played on the "field", not on the "place", right?

All in all I don't want to make a mistake, so I thought the best thing would be to ask some English / Scottish/ Americans and other people talking english here.

The main theme on each t-shirt will be "football rules", as in "football regulations" or "football rules the world".

And I collected several hundred sayings from which I picked eleven, mostly from Sepp Herberger and translated them to english. Here they are, are these okay?

1. Balls, we need balls!

2. Offside is, when the referee whistles.

3. The ball is round and a match lasts 90 minutes.

4. The round is bound for the rectangular.
(remark: the round = the ball, the rectangular = the goal)

5. The fastest player is the ball.

6. After the match is before the match.

7. Decisive is on the field.

8. The next match is always the hardest match.

9. You got to be eleven friends!

10. Modern plays, who wins.

11. If the ball passes the goalkeeper, most of all that is a goal.

Number 7 is not a whole sentence, but it's also no real sentence in the german original citing, as it was said by a foreign player in broken german. So that is okay as it is. All in all it's not that serious. Nevertheless I'm interested in any feedback on this, even if you are not into football or sport in all.

Bye, Olaf.

 

[CorBlimeyLimey]

chipperMDW,
When did the 's' get added to offside? I have never been "into" ball sports, (other than when forced at High School) but I have always known the term as Offside (singular).

r937,
Probably the capital 'T' at the beginning and no period (full stop) at the end. Although strictly speaking I would class that as "Capitalisation & Punctuation" rather than Grammar.

[Cheers]

 

[r937]

yeah, i shoulda guessed that

who'd've thunk we'd find pedants in this forum, eh



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[SantaMufasa]

FYI, "offside" is probably the soccer football term; "offsides" is absolutely the American football term and slipped into my rhetoric as "mental cog slip". Sorry.

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[CajunCenturion]

==> "offsides" is absolutely the American football term
Not to fast my friend, you will not find the word 'offsides' in either the NFL nor the NCAA football rules books. In both, it is 'offside'.

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[SantaMufasa]

Not too fast..." right back atcha...Just because you don't see it in the "Official Rules", doesn't mean that it is not a term that we use and understand. I doubt that you will hear any commentator say, "They have been plagued by offside penalties all day." Commentators virtually always call it offsides.

I can't see any reference in the "Offical Rules of the NFL" the terms "audible", "audiblize" (a term I really hate), "rush"/"rushing" (meaning to either advance the ball on the ground or to pursue the player with the ball), "tailback", "halfback", or "split end" either, but nonetheless, without them it would be difficult to discuss/comment on an American Football game.

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[Stella740pl]

SantaMufasa,

I don't claim to know much about football, but in your example, it sounds like commentators use "offsides" as an abbreviation for plural of "offside penalty", which, probably, explains the 's'.
Would a commentator say "They have been plagued by offsides all day", then?

 

[CorBlimeyLimey]

I can see & fully agree with "offsides" as a pluralisation of "offside". But it sounds totally wrong to a single call of "offsides".

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[SantaMufasa]

C'mon folks, is there a connoisseur of American Football out there that can assert which phrase is typical:

"The ref called offside against the Patriots."

versus

"The ref called offsides against the Patriots."

???

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[Stella740pl]

SantaMufase,

Now I know, you meant to post your ’"Ain't" and "brung" also exist in the language...they have purpose’ in this thread, not in the thread1256-1196325.:-D

 

[CajunCenturion]

Typical or correct? As a retired football official, I know that 'offside' is correct. The game officials called an offide penalty, regardless of what the announcers think was called. And we all know the announcers are never wrong.

The problem is that offside is an adjective, or an adverb, but not a noun, regardless of whether your talking FIFA football, American football, or Ice hockey. However, it seems that the 's' is often added when it's used as a noun, and as such, as Stella740pl has pointed out, as an abbreviation for 'offside penalty'.

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[SantaMufasa]

Granted, John, to your comments.

And showing my ignorance here: could you please illustrate the use of "offside" as an adverb for me?

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[CajunCenturion]

He jumped offside just prior to the snap.

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[SantaMufasa]

Right on ! Thanks for reminding me of such.

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[CajunCenturion]

Of course, it's now about time for SilentAiche to recount his last trip to the photographer. "He kept telling me to turn because all he could see was my offside."


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[KenCunningham]

And from Mel and Tim's 'Backfield in Motion':

Backfield in motion, yeah,
I'm gonna have to penalize you
Backfield in motion, baby,
You know that's against the rules.
Offside and holdin, yeah,
You ought a be ashamed of yourself baby
Offside and holdin yeah,
Holdin on to some one else.

That sure takes me back to warmer summers.

 

[KenCunningham]

Departing a little from the 'English' theme, this article makes for interesting comparisons between languages when it comes to football terms:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/theknowledge/story/0,,1725658,00.html

 

[TheRambler]

Interesting article KenCunningham, I didn't find The Scorpion, which is very rare. That was the only time I saw it, Colombia vs England at Wembley.

 

[KenCunningham]

Very rare indeed, TheRambler, I remember it well. What an excellent example of ability, timing and a great sense of humour.

 

[SilentAiche]

Of course, it's now about time for SilentAiche to recount his last trip to the photographer. "He kept telling me to turn because all he could see was my offside."

Stupid picture-taking so-n-so. Yes, if you must know, I terned, and gave him the Bird. In Excel, we caw this a "nested" function. Crow about that!

No, I confess the picture was unflattering, and I coughed at the sight. Call me a phlegm critic. However, I have weapons in reserve for this "negative" thinker.

Beware my [blue]Arse-i-nall[/blue]!

Seriously, you should duck.

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[CorBlimeyLimey]

That's a pretty fowl reply

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