TheVampire
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Interesting article on VB programmers that are moving to other systems, such as Java and C#.
Robert
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ZDNet article on VB programmers moving to other systems
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Check out this link too... regarding REALBasic, which I'm very interested in. RealBasic is reported to allow porting to Mac and also works for Windows.
Must... Have... More... INFO!
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TheVampire
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Oh, I know... I found that before I posted, I was just making a joke with the "must... have... more... INFO!" I was off to read and download and test and investigate and stuff like that.
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What bothers me about RB, is that in almost every VB program I write, I have to use the API to get it to do what I want.
I'm pretty sure that RB doesn't do *everything*.
So, does it support using the API in windows?
If so, how does that translate over to a MAC? ( if the only real advantage to using it in the first place is that it's portable. )
If not, I really would have to write 2 separate versions of the program, and isn't that defeating the purpose?
My company looked RB this last year, because we are writing a security program for school systems, and one of the requirements is that is be cross-platform. We ended up using Java instead.
Robert
I'm pretty sure that RB doesn't do *everything*.
So, does it support using the API in windows?
If so, how does that translate over to a MAC? ( if the only real advantage to using it in the first place is that it's portable. )
If not, I really would have to write 2 separate versions of the program, and isn't that defeating the purpose?
My company looked RB this last year, because we are writing a security program for school systems, and one of the requirements is that is be cross-platform. We ended up using Java instead.
Robert
Well, obviously API calls couldn't be platform independant... that was my first statement to myself (yes, I talk to myself... he he he)
I tried it, and enjoyed the wasted time and all that... so worth the 3 minutes. ;-)
I'm going to have to break down some day and move on... but naaaaa... not today! C#, .net, Java... who knows. I hate C++ (personal reasons), I can write it, I just don't want to write it.
Isn't C# more like java and less like C anyway? Where'd I put my coffee cup? (all this talk of java has launched another craving, and thats as close as I'll get to java this month I'm sure)
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I tried it, and enjoyed the wasted time and all that... so worth the 3 minutes. ;-)
I'm going to have to break down some day and move on... but naaaaa... not today! C#, .net, Java... who knows. I hate C++ (personal reasons), I can write it, I just don't want to write it.
Isn't C# more like java and less like C anyway? Where'd I put my coffee cup? (all this talk of java has launched another craving, and thats as close as I'll get to java this month I'm sure)
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tuna, sounds like you need a damn good night out on the town....java, almost as boring as perl!! c++ is cool but annoying at the same time (mainly cos it wont do what i tell it too
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). i also heard c# is like java but ive not got my hands on a copy yet (almost persuaded the boss ![[bigcheeks]](/data/assets/smilies/bigcheeks.gif "[bigcheeks] [bigcheeks]")
)looking forward to reading the articles mentioned but currently in the process of learning assembly
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ps enjoying the ocx thread, very informative!!
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TheVampire
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ADoozer,
Did you know that you can have VB execute assembly commands? Just another wrinkle to throw into your fun...
Robert
Did you know that you can have VB execute assembly commands? Just another wrinkle to throw into your fun...
Robert
vamp: i know its possible, but ive never tried it (other than in c++), im learning assembly just for the hell of it, im getting into the nuts and guts of PC language to further understand security issues etc!!
but if you want to offer up some code (allbeit irrelevant to the thread topic) ill be glad to learn from it!!
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but if you want to offer up some code (allbeit irrelevant to the thread topic) ill be glad to learn from it!!
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A night on the town... yes, that would be nice...
I guess you could call me the anti-homer... Homer Simpson, who refuses to tackle anything if it's hard, is my oposite. If it's hard, I'm really interested in doing it. If someone say's it can't be done, I do it, or lose sleep trying...
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I guess you could call me the anti-homer... Homer Simpson, who refuses to tackle anything if it's hard, is my oposite. If it's hard, I'm really interested in doing it. If someone say's it can't be done, I do it, or lose sleep trying...
No Dolphins were harmed in the posting of this message... Dolphin Friendly Tuna!ok, I have a question regarding this subject....I have gotten into the .NET (ASP.NET) for the last couple of months. in .NET you can use VB, JavaScript, VBScript in the same application. so I take it that you can also use c# in a ASP.NET app as well ??? it seems to me that MS is trying to create a universal development tool that use can combine languages in the same app? By me getting into .NET am I on the right track?? is .NET th way to go?
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Yes, you can link modules together that are written in a variety of languages - COBOL.NET (being sold by Fujitsu) can easily call a VB.NET or C# function, because the CLR times them all together.
It's good that you're learning .NET. I don't just want to say "because it's the future", but it's true. In addition to learning VS.NET, you should also be doing some reading about object-oriented analysis and design.
Chip H.
It's good that you're learning .NET. I don't just want to say "because it's the future", but it's true. In addition to learning VS.NET, you should also be doing some reading about object-oriented analysis and design.
Chip H.
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it's a bummer that article did not really adderss why pople are going to java etc. i think a lot of people are moving to non-MS products because they feel the push to .NET was a screwjob. i know a few VB developers that feel that MS was screwing them by forcing them into .NET and abandoning the language that they have used and grown with for years.
You know what DirectDrive, I've pretty much ignored .net since the beginning, for that EXACT reason. I felt like the proven, tried and true ways were being tossed. Being a forward thinking fish, I convinced myself it was all for the best, yet stayed with Studio 6.
From time to time, I do feel the pull of that ever present need to "Keep Up", such as now...
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the prevailing thought in my area is not that (VB) programmers are moving to other languages, but that they (and their cousins froom ALL languages) are actually moving to other occupational categories (long haul truck driver was suggested to me, along with retail sales, burger flipping ...), so if it is only one more LANGUAGE change I'd be happy with it ...
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TheVampire
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That's what I like about my job. It's not just coding, but R&D, documentation, teaching, hardware troubleshooting, CAD drawing, sales, public relations, etc.
If one part slows down , then there's always plenty of other stuff to do. I've found that it's nice to be a Jack of all trades.
I also did not feel the slightest bit inclined to jump to NET. I think they could have fixed what needed to be fixed in VB6, and didn't need another new language ( especially a language that didn't fix one of the major problems with VB6! )
Robert
If one part slows down , then there's always plenty of other stuff to do. I've found that it's nice to be a Jack of all trades.
I also did not feel the slightest bit inclined to jump to NET. I think they could have fixed what needed to be fixed in VB6, and didn't need another new language ( especially a language that didn't fix one of the major problems with VB6! )
Robert
I read on eWeek that Longhorn may not support .Net, or at least not initially. MS is underfire to get Longhorn out the door. XP is already 2 generations behind Mac OSX. MS cannot be too happy about Mac moving to Intel. Dell and HP have already expressed a great deal of interest in making OSX available on their machines. Not sure Apple is heading that direction though. But, if Longhorn is going to keep to the Dec '06 planned release date, it is very likely OSX 10.5 Leopard will be strategically released and steal Bill's thunder. The current speculation is Longhorn is already begind 10.4 Tiger! Open Systems is looking very attractive to me. I am going to take one of my more sophisticated VB apps (Warehouse Inv and Accounting System) and retool it in RealBasic. Only way to know if this is a viable platform. I have a couple friends using it and they speak very highly of it.
Oh , for goodness sake:
1) eWeek does not say that Longhorn will not support .Net. Go and read the article again carefully.
2) Yes, XP is beginning to age - but two generations behind OSX? How do you figure that?
3) OSX 10.5 to steal Bill's thunder? With a US desktop market share of only 2.88% in the last quarter of last year, and a worldwide dekstop market share of only 1.75% in the same period I'd suggest that - sadly - OSX 10.5 would have to actually be able to resurrect people, eliminate poverty in Africa and provide a cure for the common cold before enough people who actually go out and buy these things cared enough about it for it to steal any thunder from the Longhorn launch
None of which should stop you from looking at other platforms. Good luck.
1) eWeek does not say that Longhorn will not support .Net. Go and read the article again carefully.
2) Yes, XP is beginning to age - but two generations behind OSX? How do you figure that?
3) OSX 10.5 to steal Bill's thunder? With a US desktop market share of only 2.88% in the last quarter of last year, and a worldwide dekstop market share of only 1.75% in the same period I'd suggest that - sadly - OSX 10.5 would have to actually be able to resurrect people, eliminate poverty in Africa and provide a cure for the common cold before enough people who actually go out and buy these things cared enough about it for it to steal any thunder from the Longhorn launch
None of which should stop you from looking at other platforms. Good luck.
Apple always has a disproportionately large amount of coverage in the press because some of the only markets that they’ve traditionally done well in are journalism school and advertising firms. I think Linux has the same or more market share as Apple but doesn’t get the same degree of coverage … the MAC/Media thing isn't just because it is "alternative.
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