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win98 shutdown patch made things worse!!!. 1

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Chrissirhc

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Hello I had no problems restarting or shuting down my computer. For some stupid reason whilst trying to solve my problem of crashing by updating evertyhing I installed the latest patch for the shutdown. My computer when you shut down comes up with an error for taskmon. I have to close this down. Dr Solomons came up with this;

OLE32 Extensions for Win32 performed an invalid memory access.

Module Name: URLMON.DLL
Description: OLE32 Extensions for Win32
Version: 5.50.4134.600
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows (R) 2000 Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

Application Name: Iexplore.exe
Description: Internet Explorer
Version: 5.50.4134.600
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows (R) 2000 Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

I uninstalled the patch but it still didn't make a difference. What should I do to get things back to normal. The only other thing ended up doing was updating the promise 100ATA drivers from the asus site.

Chris

 
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Exactly how annoying (if this is the case) is there anyway I can test to see if any of these things aren't working properly?.

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You'll need a meter to test the power supply, and a good book to tell you how, especially on an ATX.
To diagnose a hard drive, I recommend SpinRite, although there are usually fairly good diagnostics on the disk that came with the HD, or from the HD manufacturer's website.
Scandisk reporting the wrong disk size makes me think that a drive overlay was used at some point, and it's not fully removed, or it's corrupt.
You could try formatting the remainder of your disk (don't worry, Linux will convert it when you install).
Personally, I would backup everything, get a good utility from the HD mfg website, and wipe that sucker clean, write 0's to the whole drive, fdisk, format, and reinstall.
Then do a scandisk. If it finds anything wrong, you know it's time for a new HD (or warranty work). Cheers,
Jim
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Okay I think I may have made a mistake in my explantion before. When I recieved my computer I deleted the partitions. I was told that linux acts stange and that you shouldn't make a partition for it. So what I did was make a primary partition and then an extended one these added up to 26Gb or so. I have a 30Gb drive maybe my problem is there?. I mean my mistake could be that I made the extended partition less than the size of the hard drive I have left? so now problems are occuring.
 
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Oh and I posted this harddisk problem in the pc hardware forum with extra details.

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Scandisk provided me with this one today when I ran it out of interest.


The drive contained an error in its FSInfoSector.
Resolution: Repair the error
Results: Error was corrected as specified above.
 
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I think we're back to a basic two things.
One, your hard drive is going to crap out soon, or...
Two, not partitioning, and formatting the whole drive is screwing with windows (specifically scandisk) and may be messing with the FAT files.
Try using fdisk, make sure that all partitions are set correctly (careful you don't change something to lose what you already have), then format the final bit of your HD.
Personally, I'd backup the stuff you really need, fdisk, and format the whole thing.
Linux will reformat any partition you specify upon it's install, so no need to "save" some space for it now. Cheers,
Jim
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Didn't bother re-installing and am living with the problem for the momment. I went to the windows site and there is a new update which allows the hard drive to write its cache before shutting down. Apparently this occurs on new computers with new hard drives with caches (mine has 2Mb)and only included as standard on windows ME.

I wonder if this has been my problem the hard drive has not been writting to the hard disk before it shuts down therefore the bootarea reports a smaller of space free then there actually is because it got written to first. My computer if it shuts down, shuts down extremely quickly (immediately), funny thing is it never goes straight into scandisk it boots up normally. Maybe scandisk there would find errors, but I don't know how to turn this option on.

What are your views on this?.

Chris
 
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You can manually start scandisk, by tapping the F8 key on boot up, and selecting the command prompt only option.
Try it once to see if there is REALLY any bad sectors, or FAT errors. Could be the whole BS thing is the caching of an HD, but disabling "fast shutdown" is the last I've heard of this. Something new if MS already has a "patch" for it.
I've never run across the problem before, and that's with many different HD's in many different Win9x configurations. Cheers,
Jim
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>Could be the whole BS thing

BS?
okay bad sector?

I have run the scandisk before and got errors. But I haven't run scandisk since yesterday. Since installed the patch last night. Windows doesn't crash when shutting down. I've installed 128 more ram but I don't think that is the reason why. Since the patch though it still shuts down very quickly worryingly quickly. So my hunch is possiblity. I was searching through scandisk errors on the microsoft site and then found the patch it was also one of the recommended updates on their site. I think I still have to do something to the registry so taht it waits 2 seconds or so. I don't really understand it.

My hardware is fairly new 900 A7V and ibm 30 gig ata 100, so maybe this was the problem. (I hope).

Thanks again for your help Jim

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Thanks for your help Jim I have learnt some valuable lessons. I ran scandisk in dos and it came up with scandisk reporting incorrect drive size for one my other partitions. I probably check every other day this week. I hope that it doesn't just decide to play up. In Dr Hardware one mof my parititions has 8Kb/Cluster while the others have 4Kb is this normal?. (Devices, tab Drives).

Chris


 
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I have sent a couple of messages before this. I just shut down my computer and it crashed it froze on the shut down screen so I pressed reset. I had run scandisk before I shut down. I ran it after I rebooted and on C and D
Log file generated at 16:30 on 9/1/2001.

ScanDisk used the following options:
Standard test

Drive System (C:) contained the following errors:

The drive contained an error in its FSInfoSector.
Resolution: Repair the error
Results: Error was corrected as specified above.

ScanDisk found errors on this drive and fixed them all.

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Drive Important (D:) contained the following errors:

The drive contained an error in its FSInfoSector.
Resolution: Repair the error
Results: Error was corrected as specified above.

ScanDisk found errors on this drive and fixed them all.

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This could be coincidence, but maybe its that cache thing.



 
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Are you absolutely positive there wasn't a drive overlay used to install this drive?
BTW, having different cluster sizes is a function of fdisk, depending on how big or small the partition is, and is quite normal. The smaller the clusters, the less wasted space on a drive. It's virtually unimportant because of the size of drives now, but meant a lot when a 20meg MMF drive cost you $400.
BTW, I could find absolutely nothing at MS about FSInfoSector errors. Cheers,
Jim
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I do not know what a drive overlay is. But I didn't install the drive so I wouldn't really know. The system cam pre-installed with win98 SE. I FDisked it then reformated each partition. I couldn't find anything on FSInfoSector errors either at the site. What I'm hoping is is that this FSInfoSector is always running and therefore kept in the hard drive cache so when I shut down the harddisk hasn't written to this place. I guess FSInfoSector is thing that reports how many files you have etc. How can I find out about the overlay. If it had an overlay should it have?.

Chris
 
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Drive overlays are used to put in hard drives that are bigger than BIOS limitations.
If the BIOS recognizes only 2 gig, then an overlay would be used for a drive up to 8 gig.
If the BIOS only sees up to 8 gig (a common limitation in Award and AMD), then an overlay would be used for drives larger than that.
Some of the builders I've seen use an overlay as a quick way of putting in a hard drive, saving them a few minutes work. It's also possible that the drive was ghosted using a 3rd party utility, and that's messed with the REAL drive parameters.
Check the BIOS settings for the drive, and see if they agree with what's really there. Cheers,
Jim
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What exactly should I be looking for in bios. The harddisk is auto detected. What settings should I be looking for?.

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The bios settings just have auto for my drives they don't tell you what drive you have in there. Sometimes my DVD drive comes up but the hard drive Primary Master just comes up as Auto.

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No its custom built in the UK Watford its called. I'll have a look for the option detect all drives in the bios.

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