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win98 shutdown patch made things worse!!!. 1

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Chrissirhc

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Hello I had no problems restarting or shuting down my computer. For some stupid reason whilst trying to solve my problem of crashing by updating evertyhing I installed the latest patch for the shutdown. My computer when you shut down comes up with an error for taskmon. I have to close this down. Dr Solomons came up with this;

OLE32 Extensions for Win32 performed an invalid memory access.

Module Name: URLMON.DLL
Description: OLE32 Extensions for Win32
Version: 5.50.4134.600
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows (R) 2000 Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

Application Name: Iexplore.exe
Description: Internet Explorer
Version: 5.50.4134.600
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows (R) 2000 Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

I uninstalled the patch but it still didn't make a difference. What should I do to get things back to normal. The only other thing ended up doing was updating the promise 100ATA drivers from the asus site.

Chris

 
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Maybe what I should have sent was.
Does anyone know what files the and settings the patch changes then I can go about changing these settings back one by one. Oh my error I posted was the wrong one. This is the correct one.

Win32 Kernel core component performed an invalid memory access.

Module Name: KERNEL32.DLL
Description: Win32 Kernel core component
Version: 4.10.2222
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

Application Name: Taskmon.exe
Description: Task Monitor
Version: 4.10.1998
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

Can anyone help?
 
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Hi Chris,

It may be worth checking out the FAQ on Windows not shutting down on this forum, and creating the shortcut, I have explained in it.

I have seen this fix many shutdown problems.

Good Luck

Paul
 
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Okay thanks everyone. What I did was just take Taskmon out of the startup as well as the power ones. Does anyone know what taskmon does?.
This sorted out the shutdown. I did the repair IE thing just for good measure. Also set my bios settings to 100mhz ram. And also I set settings to normal not optimal I think this set AGP to 2x instead of 4.

Thanks Chris
 
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No, taskmon does not have anything to do with C-A-D.
Taskmon monitors the activity on your hard drive, and keeps a running list of the most frequently accessed programs that you use. When you do a defrag, it reads this list, and then puts the most frequently used programs at the start of your hard drive.
This may have been a nice function when HD's ran at 4000 rpm or less on ATA 33, but is useless in today's world of 7200rpm drives, ATA 66 or better.
You can safely turn it off, and forget it. Cheers,
Jim
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Taskmonitor hasn't done anything it seems to my computer apart from stop it from shutting down. Having said that my computer seems to be running quite slowly and in System Monitor I have less than 20Mb after start up at present while on the internet I have 0. This seems at odds considering I've taken many things out of startup incidently

There are some lines in autoexec.bat and config.sys
EMM386.EXE whats the point of that being there I've taken it out.
HIMEM.SYS I guess we still need that.

And these mode con lines I've taken them out what is the point of them?.


 
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You don't need anything in autoexec.bat or config.sys running 95b and up. The winstart.bat and dosstart.bat files along with the registry and system.ini and win.ini look after loading everything.
Just rename (or delete) the config and autoexec, and startup again. Something is obviously loading that's taking up RAM.
Find a program called wintop. It will tell you exactly what's running on your system, and then you may be able to find the culprit and turn it off. Other system info programs abound, and I recommend Dr. hardware 2000 (even the limited demo) to give you a more complete picture. Cheers,
Jim
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Okay thanks have taken your advice. I downloaded Dr. hardware 2000.

Usually in these conditions. I just re-format the drive and then re-install windows but I've got to much to lose this time.

Anyway I went to resources then process list in the end which I presume is the tests you are suggesting I run.

There are many active processes. KERNELL32.DLL appears many times. Should I be looking at these or the ones within the active process. For example SHELL32.DLL appears inside many of the active processes and it takes up 1368 and total load is 14 I guess that means this same file is loaded into memory 14 times across all the active processes.

Anyway now I can see where the memory is being used but what can I do about it?
Explorer is taking up 17mb there are loads of things inside of it. This thing msimn.exe is taking up
19mb. Maybe it is a case of DLL's loading up which I don't need I've heard of this before.

I don't really know what to do about the problem I don't want to do anything harmful to my system and deleting dll might be dangerous.

Thanks for your help so far.

Chris
 
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I have also noticed that there is ddhelp.exe running on priority real time while most of them run on normal. This is some sort of dirext x diagnostics I'm not sure. But should this be running how do I get rid of it?. And when leaving the computer you can see that explorer keeps on increasing its memory usage. Connecting to the internet seems to require a lot of memmory as well. Is this normal. I have a feeling that when a process loads it is loading modules with it that need not be there. Plus there are probably some processes there that shouldn't be there at all.

What should I do?.


 
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Kernel32.dll is the "master of all", and without it, nothing runs. Shell32.dll is simply a library of icons.
1368 is the standard number for it.
Ddhelp runs all the time, and usually causes no troubles. Maybe an update to Directx 8 may help though.
You lastly mention that resources go down when you're on the 'net. What (specifically) kind of modem do you have?
Which version of IE are you running?
MSimn has something to do with Outlook mail. If you're not using it, shut it off. Check MS for updates for it.
Have you disabled the "fast shutdown" option yet?
A "next step" procedure may be to reinstall windows over top of itself, so you don't lose anything, then rerun msconfig to shut things off in startup, disable "fast shutdown", and see how things go. Cheers,
Jim
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Could almost swear I replied to this message. Anyway, I updated directx. I'm running IE 5.5

>MSimn has something to do with Outlook mail. If you're not using it, shut it off. Check MS for updates for it.

I am using outlook express.

>Have you disabled the "fast shutdown" option yet?

That was disabled before I started messing around with things.

>A "next step" procedure may be to reinstall windows over top of itself, so you don't lose anything,

This seems drastic are you sure this is okay to do. I've had many problems when I've done this in the past which is why I always re-format my hard drive.

Are you sure I cannot just clean up the dll's and the registry or something like that. I had norton2000 on and that made my system crash so I uninstalled. Maybe the problem is with uninstalling programs and they are leaving reminants.

>You lastly mention that resources go down when you're on the 'net. What (specifically) kind of modem do you have?

Okay I have usb modem MODULAR technology 56K. But my memory problem starts when I boot up I only have 19mb of physical can this be right considering I've taken Everything out of startup. On the contrary I just loaded Dr Hardware, I got four processes of IEexplorer 16Mb 16Mb 18Mb and 22MB. MSMMGS.EXE is running with 8Mb. RNNAAPP 5Mb SLights 4mb. MSIMN.EXE 20Mb. SPOOL32.EXE has 5MB I would have thought that would be printer. EXPLORER is 16MB.

Is this right?

Chris
 
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I downloaded the latest modem drivers. I think the drivers for usb come with the via 4 in 1 drivers. I'm not sure though. I read somewhere that you should have 60mb free when you boot up. If the figures are correct maybe my startup of 19 mb is fine and normal. Sometimes I run so low on memory when multitasking that programs come out of themselves. MSMMGS (8MB)I don't use messaging can I get rid of it MDM.EXE I took out of startup and it still is running 3 (MB). Incedently when I log onto to the internet after updating to IE5.5 I get a little thing in the taskbar is this MSMMGS microsoft messenger? I exit it from it but Dr says that MSMMGS is still there.

cheers
Chris
 
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You'll have to manually uninstall messaging. Check in Startup, as well as C:\WINDOWS\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
You can also look in the registry, and remove any keys associated under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run, Runonce, Run- and runonce-. Cheers,
Jim
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Thanks my fault it only loads up when I load outlook express. I thank you for your help I feel I have learnt much. I did have another problem where " WebPoolFileFile"
in the temp directory have to go to dos mode to delete.

Can't defrag the hard disk when its there. Scandisk doesn't report errors until I run scandisk in dos mode.
Then I can defrag hard disk. I think this file may had something to do with Dr Watson and also maybe the problem was with a new driver for the promise ATA controller on my motherboard(build 33) so I put the old one on instead. Have you heard of this file WebPoolFileFile before. Also although I have sorted out my memory problems a bit. (ps I used to have the virtual memory settings set to 250 max and min, I let windows manage it now), am I right about the dll's taking up memory. Also what is the best settings for virtual memory?

Chris
 
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Never dealt with WebPool...before, sorry.
Yes, all .dlls that load take up memory.
If you're running Win95, set virtual at about 2x RAM max/min.
If you're running 98 or ME, leave it alone, let windows handle it. Windows does a much better job with the newer versions (98SE and ME) than previous.
Some have had luck with manually setting it with 98 (not SE) and some have better luck letting Windows do it.
Try both. Cheers,
Jim
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My fault again WebPoolFileFile seems to be created by Dr Solomons when you load up the internet protection facility. I still don't understand why my harddisk was slightly corruped having said that. It possible to do with the new promise drivers I suspect. My memory situation is still not brilliant about 35 but I think virus checker likes memmory alot so thats where probably the other 20 or so has gone. Incedently Dr Hardware doesn't add up to be using as much ram as the free ram left indicates I am thinking that maybe its because things like CD cache etc don't show up in it. Its a good program though.

Cheers Jim

Chris
 
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Unfortunately since changing the drivers for the promise ATA controller it hasn't changed my situation. After a couple of days I run defrag and it reports disk errors which I can only fix by running scandisk in dos. I can't understand why that would keep on happening. Scandisk reports that the disk size is not correct. Maybe its a problem that I did not format the whole drive there is still 3GB left where I planned to install linux. But this really shouldn't affect my other partitions I am thinking(I haven't installed linux).
 
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