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I believe that if we are to be competitive we are going to have to rethink the way we are doing things here at home.
We have a large sized GM plant here. Everyone makes the same amount of money there regardless of their position (Other than management of course) because they are all members of the UAW. Everyone that works there waits in line to be the janitor. They sweep the floors and make the same money that the others do that are busting their butts installing motors, doors, while keeping up with the production lines. That’s the easiest job there.
Now Toyota and others have plants in the US, but they pay their people less than GM does to assemble their cars.
I am not saying that completely doing away with unions is the answer. I am saying that a janitor should make a janitors wage if that is the job they do.
Mikey
We have a large sized GM plant here. Everyone makes the same amount of money there regardless of their position (Other than management of course) because they are all members of the UAW. Everyone that works there waits in line to be the janitor. They sweep the floors and make the same money that the others do that are busting their butts installing motors, doors, while keeping up with the production lines. That’s the easiest job there.
Now Toyota and others have plants in the US, but they pay their people less than GM does to assemble their cars.
I am not saying that completely doing away with unions is the answer. I am saying that a janitor should make a janitors wage if that is the job they do.
Mikey
It isn't the wage that people are making at GM that is killing the company, but the health benefits they receive. GM spent close to 10 billion last year on health benefits, and the UAW is trying their best not to work with GM on restructuring the cost for employees. The UAW wants GM to continue to absorb the cost. Smart idea, GM will close their doors and everyone who works there will be out of a job.
mikeydidit
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It's not just GM. It is the same with most of the unions. What was the wage of the Bus drivers in NY when they finally came to an agreement on the transit strike. $30.00 an hours or something like that. Give me a break. Thats not including the benefits like Khz mentioned.
Mikey
Mikey
I know someone that worked for the now bankrupt Rover group. She was temping and getting £20 and hour to stick the badges on. And then when Rover said they were in finacial truoble and needed to lay people off the Unions threatend strike action. So they were all laid off 12 month later. Bright sparks.
Only the truly stupid believe they know everything.
Stu.. 2004
Only the truly stupid believe they know everything.
Stu.. 2004
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who lives in the UKPeople were saying the same thing about Japan in the 1980's. Didn't happen.
Which is not to say that it won't happen with China.
What did Japan in was their culture that tended to cover up mistakes. They'd do anything to avoid looking bad in front of the boss. I see the same sort of thing in China, but to a lesser degree, so it's unlikely to be that.
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Which is not to say that it won't happen with China.
What did Japan in was their culture that tended to cover up mistakes. They'd do anything to avoid looking bad in front of the boss. I see the same sort of thing in China, but to a lesser degree, so it's unlikely to be that.
Chip H.
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It is housing that costs so much in NYC. I am sure wages are somewhat higher than they would be in Kansas City, I would be they are not 50% higher or anywhere near that figure.
There was an article recently in the paper about the average price of a home in LA is now over $500,000; with that price one would need a 20% down payment and income of $120,000 to qualify for a loan.
Most people who live in LA are not anywhere close to making a combined income of $120,000, which leads to a small percentage who own their own home.
Using the analogy that because it is expensive to live there, mostly because of housing, and that wages will be adjusted upward to compensate for that high housing cost is untrue. People just don't own housing.
There was an article recently in the paper about the average price of a home in LA is now over $500,000; with that price one would need a 20% down payment and income of $120,000 to qualify for a loan.
Most people who live in LA are not anywhere close to making a combined income of $120,000, which leads to a small percentage who own their own home.
Using the analogy that because it is expensive to live there, mostly because of housing, and that wages will be adjusted upward to compensate for that high housing cost is untrue. People just don't own housing.
And that's the reason outsourcing will always happen, be it technolgy, admin or clothing. Let's face it we want our items and sevices cheap or free, so it isn't going to happen when your paying people 50 and hour.
Let's face it we're now so dependant on China, it will be hard to live without them (as an example I saw a program that said 95% of all the worlds Zip(pers)s are made in China).
Only the truly stupid believe they know everything.
Stu.. 2004
Let's face it we're now so dependant on China, it will be hard to live without them (as an example I saw a program that said 95% of all the worlds Zip(pers)s are made in China).
Only the truly stupid believe they know everything.
Stu.. 2004
and usually this means 'Made by forced prison labor'. It's tough to compete with $0 per hour for labor. But if china all of a sudden said "We hate you, USA--no more zippers!", then zipper-making would just go to malaysia or wherever they can get a dirt-floor factory full of 12-year-olds to make them for 5 cents an hour.
Really, as I've said before, think of it as a Dam. Countries with Tariffs and isolationism are on the high-side of a Dam. You break that dam (unrestricted global trade), and there is a huge flow ('giant sucking sound') to the lower level...but it will level off--that's the good news. The bad news is that the final level will always be lower than the high-side previously was--there's no getting around that.
--Jim
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