QSIG between BC13 and Nortel option 11C

[167734]

Hi,

Any one have route parameter for Nortel M1?
Call from Nortel is OK but call from MD110 is always failure. Notel tell me this is our fault because call from them get no problem. This is non-sense.

There is product bulletin regarding QSIG between M1 and BC11. Anybody can have this paper?

Thanks.

 

[mundus]

What a stupid answer from the Nortell people !
Post the ROCAP, RODAP, RODDP of the route you are using and ASPAPARNUM:223.

 

[doktor]

Yep, that was indeed a stupid question...
///doktor

 

[167734]

Hi Mundus,

Please see below parameter.

ROCAP:ROU=12;
ROUTE CATEGORY DATA
ROU SEL TRM SERV NODG DIST DISL TRAF SIG
BCAP
12 7120000000000010 5 2110000001 0 30 128 01151515
111111000031 111111

RODAP:ROU=12;
ROUTE DATA
ROU TYPE VARC VARI VARO FILTER
12 SL60 H'00000310 H'30040000 H'06300000 NO

RODDPEST=12;
EXTERNAL DESTINATION ROUTE DATA
DEST DRN ROU CHO CUST ADC TRC SRT NUMACK PRE
12 12 05050000000002501050000000 0 1 0


ASPAPARNUM=223;
APPLICATION SYSTEM PARAMETERS
PARNUM PARVAL
223 6

I notice one thing, when I make a outgoing call, channel one show some status change, then channel 2 also show some status change. This is strange as only one call is made.

Although Nortel insist this is our fault, I try to explain them, if I change some setting in VARI, they also cannot dial in.

 

[167734]

doktor, you mean....

Don't waste our time. I just want to do my job compeltely.

 

[mundus]

Your data looks fine, so here we need a trace to see why Nortell don't accept the call.
Here you could make a trace in SLP60 and then use the STI tools from Ericsson to translate the trace.

 

[167734]

Hi Mundus,

I am appreciate for your feedback. The STI has done but I don't know the contents as I am not the expert in this area. By the way, can you have a look in this trace so that I can discuss with Nortel staff in this problem?

<STRAP:TRI=1;
TRACE IND READ RESULT
TRACE INDIVIDUAL NO 1
TIME LINE(S)
15.21.11.200 00001 SWHW SIGNAL CHEACKTLD (H'000E)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO EQU NO 1-1-50-00
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'02 H'07 H'79 H'C0 H'02 H'07 H'26 H'BC
15.21.11.220 00002 HWSW SIGNAL TLDACT (H'000A)
FROM EQU NO 1-1-50-00
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'01 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00
15.21.22.380 00003 SWHW SIGNAL CHEACKTLD (H'000E)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO EQU NO 1-1-50-00
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'02 H'07 H'79 H'C0 H'02 H'07 H'26 H'BC
15.21.22.420 00004 HWSW SIGNAL TLDACT (H'000A)
FROM EQU NO 1-1-50-00
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'01 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00
15.21.25.220 00005 SWSW SIGNAL SIZCALREC (H'0045)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'01 H'00 H'B0 H'5E H'10 H'0F H'00 H'00 H'02 H'00
010 H'F8 H'BA H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00
15.21.25.220 00006 SWSW SIGNAL SIZCALRECRES (H'0096)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B0 H'5E H'B2 H'B3 H'00 H'02 H'05 H'51 H'96 H'02
010 H'00 H'D4 H'1C
15.21.25.440 00007 SWSW SIGNAL NEWCAL (H'00D6)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B2 H'B3 H'00 H'10 H'03 H'00 H'FF H'00 H'FF H'00
010 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'03 H'00 H'00 H'FF H'00 H'02 H'02
020 H'04 H'56 H'02 H'02 H'71 H'60
15.21.25.460 00008 SWSW SIGNAL ASN1ENCODE (H'0045)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO ADEP (H'0350) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'00 H'B2 H'B3 H'03 H'7B H'9F H'00 H'00 H'00 H'06
010 H'01 H'00 H'01 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'01 H'00
020 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'01 H'01 H'01 H'3B H'00 H'00
030 H'00 H'00 H'03 H'01 H'B8 H'50 H'01 H'01 H'00 H'00
040 H'00 H'0F H'02 H'02 H'F5 H'58 H'02 H'05 H'A0 H'F8
15.21.25.460 00009 SWSW SIGNAL *************** (H'0000)
FROM ADEP (H'0350) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'00 H'B2 H'B3 H'9F H'AA H'06 H'80 H'01 H'00 H'82
010 H'01 H'00 H'8B H'01 H'00 H'A1 H'10 H'02 H'01 H'01
020 H'02 H'01 H'55 H'30 H'08 H'82 H'03 H'01 H'B8 H'50
030 H'86 H'01 H'01 H'02 H'00 H'1C H'08 H'00 H'00 H'00
040 H'00
15.21.25.460 00010 SWSW SIGNAL NEWCAL2 (H'0198)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B2 H'B3 H'01 H'05 H'02 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'00 H'FF
010 H'FF H'00 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'00 H'FF H'FF
020 H'FF H'FF H'00 H'FF H'00 H'00 H'02 H'02 H'06 H'38
030 H'02 H'02 H'71 H'60
15.21.25.460 00011 SWSW SIGNAL CONPTYNUM (H'00B0)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'00 H'B2 H'B3 H'00 H'00 H'10 H'00 H'0F H'0F H'FF
010 H'02 H'04 H'22 H'20 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
020 H'FF H'FF H'02 H'04 H'22 H'20 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
030 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'0F H'FF
040 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
050 H'FF H'00 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF
060 H'FF H'FF H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'03 H'01 H'00
070 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'02 H'02 H'2E H'A4 H'02
080 H'02 H'C1 H'90
15.21.25.460 00012 SWSW SIGNAL BPARTYNUM (H'00BA)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B2 H'B3 H'02 H'01 H'F4 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
010 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
020 H'FF H'00 H'00 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
030 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
040 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'02 H'02 H'22 H'14 H'02 H'02
050 H'7C H'2A
15.21.25.480 00013 SWHW SIGNAL DLRDATALONG (H'00A1)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO EQU NO 1-1-50-00
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'08 H'02 H'00 H'9F H'05 H'04 H'03 H'80 H'90 H'A2
010 H'18 H'03 H'A1 H'83 H'82 H'1C H'1E H'9F H'AA H'06
020 H'80 H'01 H'00 H'82 H'01 H'00 H'8B H'01 H'00 H'A1
030 H'10 H'02 H'01 H'01 H'02 H'01 H'55 H'30 H'08 H'82
040 H'03 H'01 H'B8 H'50 H'86 H'01 H'01 H'1E H'02 H'81
050 H'83 H'6C H'06 H'09 H'81 H'32 H'32 H'30 H'32 H'70
060 H'02 H'89 H'34 H'9C H'31 H'01 H'80 H'02 H'05 H'3C
070 H'2C H'02 H'05 H'4B H'B8
15.21.25.580 00014 HWSW SIGNAL DLIDATALONG (H'0002)
FROM EQU NO 1-1-50-00
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'01 H'00 H'08 H'02 H'80 H'9F H'7D H'08 H'02 H'81
010 H'E3 H'14 H'01 H'06 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00
020 H'00 H'00
15.21.29.560 00015 SWSW SIGNAL TIMOUT (H'00CB)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B0 H'5E H'02 H'02 H'05 H'53 H'AE H'02 H'00 H'E3
010 H'0A
15.21.29.560 00016 SWSW SIGNAL CLRCAL (H'0079)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B2 H'B3 H'00 H'00 H'07 H'00 H'00 H'10 H'FF H'00
010 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
020 H'FF H'00 H'0F H'FF H'00 H'00 H'00 H'01 H'FF H'00
030 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'02 H'02 H'2A H'90 H'02
040 H'00 H'EF H'DE
15.21.29.580 00017 SWSW SIGNAL CLRCAL (H'0079)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B0 H'5E H'00 H'00 H'07 H'00 H'00 H'FF H'00 H'00
010 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
020 H'FF H'00 H'0F H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'01 H'FF H'FF
030 H'00 H'00 H'20 H'00 H'00 H'02 H'04 H'85 H'9C H'02
040 H'00 H'E7 H'F4
15.21.29.600 00018 SWSW SIGNAL CLRCAL (H'0079)
FROM TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B2 H'B3 H'00 H'00 H'07 H'00 H'00 H'10 H'00 H'00
010 H'00 H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF H'FF
020 H'FF H'00 H'0F H'FF H'00 H'00 H'00 H'01 H'FF H'00
030 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'00 H'02 H'02 H'2A H'90 H'02
040 H'00 H'4A H'1A
15.21.29.600 00019 SWHW SIGNAL DLRDATALONG (H'00A1)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO EQU NO 1-1-50-00
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'08 H'02 H'00 H'9F H'5A H'08 H'05 H'81 H'E6 H'33
010 H'30 H'33 H'02 H'05 H'3C H'2C H'02 H'05 H'4B H'B8
15.21.29.600 00020 SWSW SIGNAL CLRLIN (H'005F)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO TLP60 (H'03BD) EXE A IN LIM 001
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'B0 H'5E H'0F H'00 H'00 H'00 H'02 H'04 H'86 H'5E
010 H'02 H'01 H'C2 H'A0
15.21.33.720 00021 SWHW SIGNAL CHEACKTLD (H'000E)
FROM SLP60 (H'037B) EXE A IN LIM 001
TO EQU NO 1-1-50-00
WITH 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000 H'02 H'07 H'79 H'C0 H'02 H'07 H'26 H'BC
END

I don't know how to use the attachment tools in this fornum.

 

[doktor]

What I meant was:
"Yep, that was indeed a stupid or irrelevant attitude from the Nortel service engineers"...
///doktor

 

[mundus]

Hi' the translated trace:

>>>>
Outgoing Message: SETUP
Call Reference: 00 9F (CR Flag Not Set)
Protocol Discriminator: Q.931 user-network call control protocol




BEARER CAPABILITY IE:
Coding Standard: CCITT standardized
Information Transfer Capability: Speech
Transfer Mode: Circuit-mode / Call independent signalling connection
Information Transfer Rate/Circuit Mode: 64 kbit/s
Layer 1 Protocol Identification: User information layer 1 protocol
Recommendation G.711 My-law. The protocol coding is not used. If received the call is rejected.


CHANNEL ID IE:
Interface Identifier Present: Interface implicitly identified; the interface which includes the D-channel carrying this information element is indicated.
Interface Type: Primary rate interface
Preferred/Exclusive: Indicated channel is preferred
D-channel Indicator: The channel identified is not the D-channel
Information Channel Selection/Primary Interface: As in following octets
Coding Standard: CCITT standard
Number: Channel is indicated by the number in the following octet
Channel Type: B-channel units
Channel number: 2


FACILITY IE:
Type of Protocol: ISO
Network Facility Extension
Source Entity: (0) End PINX
Destination Entity: (0) End PINX
Interpretation APDU: (0) Discard any unrecognized Invoke PDU
Type of component: Invoke PDU
Invoke ID: 1 (H0001)
Type of Service: Cmn information
Feature ID List: (101110000101000)
Call Forwarding rerouting supported
CCBS possible
CCNR possible
Call Offer supported
AOC interim charge at gateway PINX
Path Replacement supported at cooperating PINX
Party category: (1) extension


PROGRESS INDICATOR IE:
Coding Standard: CCITT standard
Location: Local private network e.g., PBX
Progress Description: Originating address is non-ISDN


CALLING PARTY IE:
Type of Number: Unknown. Not used. If received, treated as Unknown.
Numbering Plan Identification: Private numbering plan
Presentation Indicator: Presentation Allowed
Spare, reserved
Screening Indicator: User provided, verified and passed
Calling Party Number: 2202



CALLED PARTY IE:
Type of Number: Unknown
Numbering Plan Identification: Private numbering plan
Called Number: 4


Locking Shift to codeset 4


TRANSIT COUNTER (CODESET 5) IE:
Transit Count: 0


<<<<


>>>>
Incoming Message: STATUS
Call Reference: 00 9F (CR Flag Set)
Protocol Discriminator: Q.931 user-network call control protocol




CAUSE IE:
Coding Standard: CCITT standard
Location: Local private network eg PBX
Cause Value: Protocol error
Cause Values, CCITT Standard: Information element non-existing or not implemented


CALL STATE IE:
Coding Standard: CCITT standardized coding
Call State Value: Call Present


<<<<

As you can see the Nortell reject the call by a "Information element non-existing or not implemented"
so now is the question - which I.E. ?
You could try to change the SIG d12 to "0" but then there is no networks facilities, or VARI d4 to "0" pure ECMA ( is not described in Alex ). In both cases change also AS parnum 223 to "0"
Good luck !

 

[167734]

Hi Mundus,

Thanks. I will try this tomorrow and will discuss with Nortel. But I am worry is no networks facilities!

I am thinking, VARI D1 is set to 3, which is ITU-T/ETSI, nortel tell me they don't understanding this, they only know ISO QSIG, will this be the cause? I have tried around D1 set to 4to 7 but with same result.

Could you teach me why VARI shall be changed, what I mean is -- is VARI only responsible for incoming route?

 

[167734]

Hi Mundus,

After change the bit, result is the same. here is he feedback from Nortel Regional support.


"From the observation, I have some findings from the captured E1 PRI QSIG D-channel monitoring message logs.

Based on the D-channel message at test result from Nortel --> Ericsson, if Nortel haven't received the Call_Proc_message and Alert_message from Ericsson side, Nortel phoneset will not hear the ringback tone, but Ericsson phoneset still ringing and will hear silent even pick up the call.
Ericsson needs to clarify why they missed to send out the Call_Proc_message and Alert_message.

Based on the D-channel message at test result from Ericsson --> Nortel, Nortel received Call_Release message if the call fail to establish.
Ericsson needs to clarify why they send out Call "

Any idea?

 

[167734]

Hi Mundus,

problem fixed by Nortel people. They change protocol from ISO QSIG to ITU/ETSI.

Anothe problem. Nortel call MD110, name display OK, MD110 call Nortel not work. I have started the STI and find that no name appear in the signal trace.

Any parameter I need to change?

 

[mundus]

Hi, the MD support name identity with ISO, so have you change the RODAP/ROCAP parameters ?

"problem fixed by Nortel people. They change protocol from ISO QSIG to ITU/ETSI" !!!???

 

[167734]

Yes, they told me so. I haven't do anything yesterday and they change this setting. they have relevant information from Australia. After that, all basic call are OK.

May be still got something they haven't told me!

I will try the RODAP and ROCAP today.

Thanks.

 

[167734]

Hi Mundus,

name ID is also fixed by Nortel. Not our MD110 fault.

Thanks for help.