Nortel to Cisco integration using QSIG 1

[srcvh1]

I am trying program the DCH for the QSIG and I keep getting an error when I to set up the IFC to be ISGF that says:

SCH6670
QSIGGF package is restricted

The QSIG package is there. It is number 263 QSIG. This has to be something else that I need to turn on in the CFN. I've been through that programming but can't find anything.

Has anyone ran into this before, and what is the solve for it?

 

[Firebird Scrambler]

I've found these reports below.

Unable to get D channel to come up between Meridian and Cisco 2600 series routers.

Change prompt ACRC from yes to no under loop timer
ACRC= auto report on CRC-4 errors.

Problems getting D channel and loop to come up between a meridian and a Cisco 2610 router. In this case the Cisco 2610 was expecting to see ACRC set to yes. This was changed to no and the respective change made on the meridian as well. The D channel then came up. (All other parameters as per recommended settings).

Sample configuration as below:
QSIG (ESGF4) to Cisco 2610 series router.
Coax75 ohm to RJ45 125 Ohm converter used to connect to router.

NB, ACRC set to no on the respective loop timer in overlay 73

.REQ: PRT
*TYPE: RDB
*CUST 0
*ROUT 121
*TYPE RDB
*CUST 00
*DMOD
*ROUT 121
*DES QSIG
*TKTP TIE
*NPID_TBL_NUM 0
*ESN NO
*RPA NO
*CNVT NO
*SAT NO
*RCLS EXT
*VTRK NO
*NODE
*DTRK YES
*BRIP NO
*DGTP PRI2
*ISDN YES
* MODE PRA
* IFC EGF4
* SBN NO
* PNI 00001
* NCNA NO
* NCRD NO
* CTYP CDP
* INAC NO
* ISAR NO
* CPFXS YES
* DAPC NO
* INTC NO
*DSEL VOD
*PTYP DTT
*AUTO NO
*DNIS NO
*DCDR NO
*ICOG IAO
*SRCH LIN
*TRMB NO
*STEP
*ACOD 1621
*TCPP NO
*TARG 01
*CLEN 1
*BILN NO
*OABS
*INST
*IDC NO
*DCNO 0 *
*NDNO 0
*DEXT NO
*SIGO STD
*MFC NO
*ICIS YES
*OGIS YES
*TIMR ICF 1920
* OGF 1920
* EOD 13952
* LCT 256
* NRD 10112
* DDL 70
* ODT 4096
* RGV 640
* GTO 896
*
* GTI 896
* SFB 3
* PRPS 800
* NBS 2048
* NBL 4096
*
* IENB 5
* TFD 0
* VSS 0
* VGD 6
*DTD NO
*SCDT NO
*2 DT NO
*DRNG NO
*CDR NO
*NATL YES
*SSL
*CFWR NO
*IDOP NO
*VRAT NO
*MUS NO
*PANS YES
*FRL 0 0
*FRL 1 0
*FRL 2 0
*FRL 3 0
*FRL 4 0
*FRL 5 0
*FRL 6 0
*FRL 7 0
*OHQ NO
*OHQT 00
*CBQ NO
*AUTH NO
*TTBL 0
*ATAN NO
*PLEV 2
*OPR NO
*ALRM NO
*ART 0
*PECL NO
*DCTI 0
*TIDY 1621 121
*SGRP 0
*AACR NO

*REQ: PRT
*TYPE: TNB
*TN 12 1
*DATE
*PAGE
*DES
*
*DES QSIG
*TN 012 01
*TYPE TIE
*CDEN SD
*CUST 0
*TRK PRI2
*PDCA 3
*PCML A
*NCOS 7
*RTMB 121 1
*B-CHANNEL SIGNALING
*TGAR 1
*AST NO
*IAPG 0
*CLS UNR DTN WTA LPR APN THFD XREP BARD
* P10 VNL
*TKID
*AACR NO
*DATE 12 APR 2005

*TYPE ADAN DCH 12
*
*ADAN DCH 12
* CTYP MSDL
* CARD 12
* PORT 1
* DES qsig
* USR PRI
* DCHL 12
* OTBF 32
* PARM RS422 DTE
* DRAT 64KC
* CLOK EXT
* IFC EGF4
* PINX_CUST 0
* ISDN_MCNT 300
* CLID OPT0
* CO_TYPE STD
* SIDE USR
* CNEG 1
* RLS ID 4
* QCHID YES
* RCAP NCT MWI COLP NDI CCBI CCNI PRI DV3I MQC CTI
* PR_TRIGS DIV 2 3
* CNG 2 3
* CTR2 2 3
* PR_RTN NO
* MQC_FEAT NAS NACD NMS
* MBGA NO
* OVLR NO
* OVLS NO
* T310 120
* T200 3
* T203 10
* N200 3
* N201 260
* K 7

*>LD 73
*DDB000
*MEM AVAIL: (U/P): 2483834 USED U P: 557564 71561 TOT: 3112959
*DISK RECS AVAIL: 1024
*REQ PRT
*TYPE PRI2
*LOOP

*PRI2 LOOP 12
*MFF AFF
*ACRC NO
*ALRM REG
*RAIE NO
*G1OS YES
*SLP 5 24 H 30 1 H
*BPV 128 122
*CRC 201 97
*FAP 28 1
*RATS 10
*GP2 20 100 S 12 S 12 S 4 S
*MNG1 15 M
*NCG1 15 M
*OSG1 15 M
*MNG2 15 S
*NCG2 15 S
*OSG2 15 S
*PERS 50
*CLRS 50
*OOSC 5

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Another report found

Signalling is Q931
Avaya is the 'NET' end.

Relevant info
' Card used had to be downloadable PRI (MSDL) NTBK50AA with Daughter board NTBK51
' Create PRI in CEQU overlay 17 for the card
' Create DChannel in 'ADAN' overlay 17.
' Set IFC as EURO
' Set CNTY as Net (Net uses ETSI, you do not set CNTY as ETSI)
' Create RDB in overlay 16
' Set type as TIE
' DTRK = YES
' IFC = EURO
' CNTY = NET
' Trunks in Overlay 14 as TIE.
' Set Loop Timers Olay 73: PRI2, LPTI…. MFF = CRC (default the rest.)

Cabling:

From PRI use NTBK05DA Amphenol to 9 Pin RS232
You will need a convertor you can 'make up' from RS232 to RJ48 (BT part number: 5205817)

Use straight patching cable between Cisco Module and RS232.
You will need a convertor you can make up using the pinouts as below:

RJ45 Cisco Module Avaya Cable NTBK05DA
Pin RS232 (9 pin) Amphenol
4 (Tx Tip) 2 24 (Rx1)
5 (Tx Ring) 3 49 (Tx1)
1 (Rx Tip) 6 23 (Rx0)
2 (Rx Ring) 7 48 (Tx0)


** The difference between RJ45 and RJ48 is that RJ45 uses pins 1 2 3 and 6 whilst RJ48 uses pins 1 2 4 & 5. **




All the best

Firebird Scrambler
Meridian 1 / Succession and BCM / Norstar Programmer in the UK

http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbromley

If it's working, then leave it alone!.

 

[one234]

Copy/paste from the manual: ISGF - ISIG interface with GF platform (allowed if QSIG and QSIGGF packages are both equipped)

Do you ALSO have the QSIGGF (305) package?


Marc D.

If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does...

 

[357951258]

Hi srcvh1 ,

I had the same "problem" short time ago .
Our test soloution had no QSIP package avaible .
I used ESIG and ISIG over Avaya 7.5
Here the still running configuration :
ROUTE

TYPE RDB
CUST 00
ROUT 61
DES ESIG
TKTP TIE
NPID_TBL_NUM 0
ESN NO
RPA NO
CNVT NO
SAT NO
IDEF NET
RCLS INT
VTRK NO
DTRK YES
BRIP NO
DGTP PRI2
ISDN YES
MODE PRA
IFC ESIG
SBN NO
PNI 00001
NCNA NO
NCRD NO
CTYP UKWN
INAC NO
ISAR NO
CPFXS YES
DAPC NO
INTC NO
MBXR NO
MBXOT NPA
MBXT 0
DSEL VOD
PTYP DTT
CNDP UKWN
AUTO NO
DNIS NO
DCDR NO
ICOG IAO
SRCH LIN
TRMB YES
STEP
ACOD 910561
TCPP NO
PII NO
AUXP NO
TARG 01
CLEN 1
BILN NO
OABS
INST
IDC NO
DCNO 0 *
NDNO 0
DEXT NO
SIGO ESN5
MFC NO
ICIS YES
OGIS YES
TIMR ICF 512
OGF 512
EOD 13952
NRD 10112


PAGE 002

DDL 70
ODT 4096
RGV 640
GTO 896
GTI 896
SFB 3
NBS 2048
NBL 4096
TFD 0
DTD NO
SCDT NO
2 DT NO
DRNG NO
CDR NO
NATL YES
SSL
CFWR NO
IDOP NO
MUS NO
PANS YES
FRL 0 11
FRL 1 11
FRL 2 11
FRL 3 11
FRL 4 11
FRL 5 11
FRL 6 11
FRL 7 11
AUTH NO
TTBL 0
ATAN NO
PLEV 2
OPR NO
ALRM NO
ART 0
PECL NO
DCTI 0
TIDY 910561 61
SGRP 0
ARDN NO
CTBL 0
AACR NO

D CHANEL

ADAN DCH 53
CTYP MSDL
MG_CARD 004 0 01
PORT 1
DES ESIG
USR PRI
DCHL 53
OTBF 126
PARM RS422 DTE
DRAT 64KC
CLOK EXT
IFC ESIG
ISDN_MCNT 300
CLID OPT1
CO_TYPE STD
SIDE USR
CNEG 1
RLS ID **
QCHID YES
RCAP NCT COLP
MBGA NO
OVLR YES
DIDD 0
OVLS YES
OVLT 0
T310 120
T200 3
T203 10
N200 3
N201 260
K 7


Trunck

DES ESIG
TN 053 01 VIRTUAL
TYPE TIE
CDEN SD
CUST 0
TRK PRI2
PDCA 2
PCML A
NCOS 0
RTMB 61 1
B-CHANNEL SIGNALING
TGAR 8
AST NO
IAPG 0
CLS UNR DTN CND ECD WTA LPR APN THFD XREP BARD SPCD
P10 VNL
TKID
AACR NO
DATE 23 NOV 2012


>ld 73
DDB000
MEM AVAIL: (U/P): 98549995 USED U P: 4910782 191572 TOT: 103652349
DISK SPACE NEEDED: 257 KBYTES
REQ prt
TYPE pri2
FEAT lpti
LOOP 53

MFF CRC
ACRC NO
ALRM REG
RAIE NO
G1OS YES
SLP 5 24 H 30 1 H
BPV 128 122
CRC 201 97
FAP 28 1
RATS 10
GP2 20 100 S 12 S 12 S 4 S
MNG1 15 M
NCG1 15 M
OSG1 15 M
MNG2 15 S
NCG2 15 S
OSG2 15 S
PERS 50
CLRS 50
OOSC 5



The configuration on the Cisco system i dont know but the engineer told me that is a standart soloution

 

[srcvh1]

Thanks guys, good stuff! Yeah, I found out that the QSIGGF package was not there. Of course this is a 7.5 so Avaya is forcing everyone who wants to use this integration to pay extra for it. All other Rls that I've done this integration on had those features default.

I'm going to give this programming a shot tonight. The question I have is this. With the ESIG configuration, does the Cisco side still look at it as QSIG? If not what do they need to do differently on the Call Manager side? I'm going to Google this as well, but if somebody has a link to the Cisco notes I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

 

[one234]

ESIG = QSIG...
ISIG = QSIG...

ESIG = EURO Q reference (mainly used in Europe etc)
ISIG = ISO Q reference (mainly used is USA etc)

You can use both as long as the other side uses the same. And you don't have me programming the switch... I demand ESIG since I live in Europe .


Marc D.

If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does...

 

[srcvh1]

Thanks one234.
When you say the other side needs uses the same, do you mean the Cisco call mgr has to be set to either ESIG or ISIG, or QSIG? Does the call mgr have the ability to emulate ESIG or ISIG? I ask this because I know that I'm going to be asked the same questions by the Cisco vendor.

Scott C

 

[one234]

Hi,

ESIG and ISIG are both QSIG only 2 different versions of QSIG. Lets say dialects. Compare it with US English and UK English. They are both English but with small differences. sick/ill, pants/trousers, lift/elevator

I think in your case it would be easiest to ask the Cisco vendor which version of QSIG they use. EURO Q reference or ISO Q reference and let them figure it out. I assume that Cisco supports both, but since I'm not a Cisco engineer I don't know for sure. Or just tell them to use the 1 for your region and start complaining if they did it wrong


Marc D.

If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does...

 

[srcvh1]

I like that advice,lol!

One other thing I noticed. You have the DGTP as PRI2. I see that is 30 BCH with 1 DCH. I'm assuming that is a Euro thing as well. I set it to PRI with the typical configuration of 23 BCH with 1 DCH for the standard here. With that I assume the DDB does not need to be adjusted for PRI2.

Sorry for all the questions. I just know I'm going to have a battle with the Cisco vendor. I have done a dozen implementations with QSIG and the documentation is cut and dry. The QSIG features were standard in previous releases before 7.5. Gotta love how Avaya slyly takes away some of the standard features making the customer buy licensing! I'm out on a limb with ESIG. At least I was able to program it. We'll see where Cisco is coming from now.

Thanks,

Scott C

 

[one234]

Indeed.

E1 = 2Mb = 30 BCH + 1 DCH + 1 Sync
T1 = 1.5Mb = 23 BCH + 1 DCH

There are a few more differences between T1 and E1, but if you want to know that Google is you friend


Marc D.

If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does...

 

[AtAvaya]

It's not sure if Avaya interop officially supports Avaya -- Cisco connection through Qsig, please open a ticket at support.avaya.com to check this.

 

[AtAvaya]

Looks like it is supported.

Please check the link

https://kb.avaya.com/ext/index?page=content&id=SOLN207521

 

[one234]

Not sure if if Avaya interop officially supports Avaya -- Cisco using QSIG?? QSIG = QSIG so if QSIG is implemented the correct way it must work... Even with the Hicky Micky Swicky PABX I just made up . If you say that for SIP... Yes I totally agree on that. SIP 5^ck5 and always needs tweaking before you can get it to work. Never ever plug and play... Always plug and pray...

PS: I think kb.avaya.com is an internal link or something... That DNS name can't be resolved (Or maybe my ISP has a problem). But this is the public link: Link But this document also links to a kb.avaya.com link...




Marc D.

If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does...

 

[srcvh1]

Success!!

The ESIG programming worked like a charm! The programming that 357951258 provided was spot on. the only difference was the fact that the ld 73 LTPI programming did not need to be input. I programmed per 357951258s' post and I am good to go. one234 I was a little wary seeing that this is a format usually used in Europe, but it worked.

By the way the featues needed to program QSIG - ISIG are as follows:

NMS 175
QSIG 263
QSIGGF 305
QSIG-SS 316

I found out I couldn't do this ISIG because I did not have Pkg 305 & 316. The ESIG programming is a nice little work around. Thank you all

Scott C