BobLewiston
Programmer
Do employers really put much stock in Microsoft certification for programmers?
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I disagree strongly with that. The last three employers I've had didn't even ask about educational background. They wanted certs and experience. And we're not talking your entry level jobs here. We're talking six figure jobs with some substance.My wife works in HR. She says a degree carries much more weight than a cert.
That is the dumbest comment I have read in quite a long time.A college degree means nothing.
I have never been asked if I had any certs but have been asked about my college background and degrees.The last three employers I've had didn't even ask about educational background. They wanted certs and experience. And we're not talking your entry level jobs here. We're talking six figure jobs with some substance.
A stupid comment which it stands on its own.What is taught is out of date when it's taught, so it certainly can't add anything that a certification can add.
Case study: What is an MVP? Most Valuable Player? They give those during college football games and corporations donate money for causes in the mvp's name. But people know what MS, PhD, DDS, MSEd, MA, EdS, and other educational degrees are.
That is not what obtaining a degree is about. I can say that going fishing and staying until all the bait is used is showing the ability to commit and finish something, but that won't get me a job.a degree showing the ability to commit and finish something
Case study: What is an MVP? Most Valuable Player?
I get asked about experience more than certs. A lot more. But certs come up in a conversation, whereas college doesn't. In fact, I'd have to go back about 10 years to the last employer that asked about education. It's not even on my resume.I have never been asked if I had any certs but have been asked about my college background and degrees.
True, people know what most of those are. But a MS is no more qualified for a technical job than someone without a college degree (assuming similar experience, of course). The technical classes taught in a college are completely outdated, and certainly can't be used to any real advantage in the technical field. An individual could take a 1 week technical boot camp and have much more relevant, up to date, skills. I had a technical college ask me if I was interested in teaching classes. I looked at the curriculum and couldn't believe what I was seeing. When I compared it to classes at another college, it was essentially the same. When I asked my friends at the IT recruiting firm, they said that's one reason they don't look at technical degrees. They mean nothing. As a team leader, I'd grab an MCSE or MCITP before a college grad.But people know what MS, PhD, DDS, MSEd, MA, EdS, and other educational degrees are.
One thing that seems to be ignored is that it is impossible for HR to determine that you have tinkered with computers since you were 9 years old.
I'm a firm believer in that myself."The day you stop learning in this field is the day you should retire."
Maybe in the SMB space.The specialized IT worker is becoming a rare item any more.
I think that depends. I can't, with ANY conviction, say that a degree in CIS/MIS is going to be of any help to an IT person. The stuff being covered in those classes is just way too outdated. Now - I'm not discounting the other, non-IT related stuff in college. Psychology, language, arts, stuff like that. Communications and interpersonal skills are certainly necessary. But I know at least a half dozen people in IT would started in IT without a college degree. And they all make considerably more than their IT degreed counterparts. Why? They have 2/4/6 years more of job experience in the field. And that is certainly worth more than everything else.The degree is a great foundation to build on, and the Certs make for an excellent addition to the degree. They compliment each other.
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