Ideas for 150 Analogs Ports off IP500

[vtphilk]

Anyone have any large analog deployments with a IP500? I'm trying to quote a residential apartment building who has a about 130 apartments that they do short term rentals on. These rentals include dialtone and they currently pay for 130 POTS lines 100% of the time.

We want to get them a IPO that will basically give them 130 DID but only get about 50 PRI trunks or SIP Trunk channels. The dialtone will basically be POTS in each apartment.

Couple ideas is to get Avaya 30 port analog expansions but I was wondering if there is any support SIP Gateways that might be a better fit that would interop with IPO well? Might even be nicer if we could put a gateway on each floor and be IP back the the IPO. This would spread the load rather run analog lines all the way from the basement to the 8 floors.

 

[amriddle01]

You are safe with the 130 Analogue devices, the IP office will cope with that no issue. In fact Phone 30's have been very relaible for us versus Dig 30's which go pop just for fun at the moment (4 in the last 3 months). However IP to Analogue with IP office can sometimes give echo issues however it's usually Analogue line to IP sets that get this, having never used SIP trunks yet I am not sure if you ever get echo Analogue to IP that way

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[Bas1234]

You could give every aparment "Patton SmartLink 4022 Analog VoIP SoHo Router SL4022 Dual FXS" this will provide 2 analog ports and also each apartment will have a network Lan port. Then they could also access internet thru one box.
Each patton will need at least 1 ip endpoint licence for 1 analog port. It's easy to configure in the IPO you hardly need to do enything on the Avaya just programm the Patton and let it register and auto create the extension. Turn auto register off when done. Make sure all the pattons are in the same "network" the Avaya cannot handle NAT. To make it safe for each patton you could create a VLAN.

But this is the hard way, for the easy way just add Phone30's and you can go up to 360 analog ports in Release 6

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[amriddle01]

I think all those Patton devices may push the costs up a litle though Bas

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[TomMills]

i'll second andys post. no issues with that many alog extns before.

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[Bas1234]

Depends whoes paying for it. If each apartment user needs an internet/phone line and they have to pay/rent this monthly then it could work and will pay back in no time. But I don't know the whole story.

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[intrigrant]

Use the phone 30 units and standard cabling, keep it simple and straight forward is always the best option.

 

[vtphilk]

Yea..I thought about going with a ATA in each apart but the problem is there is about 400 units in the building. Of the 400 130-150 are short term rentals. The rest are normal yearly. The yearly rental units all deal with there own phone /TV service. Most of them from what I'm told don't even have phone lines.

However, the short terms are used for business etc...so they come with Internet/TV/ Phone. We provide Internet to the building thru a ADSL2+ DSLAM which I thought about piping the voice thru that on a vlan.

The idea is, if they have a yearly rental unit that does not have a tenant they turn that into a short term till they get someone to fill it on a yearly. So they don't mind moving a punch down or since they only make changes about 3 times a year. So if the phone was in a dsl modem type deal it would be much nicer since they would not even have to punch down anything just move the modem.

Anyhow, that would involve finding a dsl modem/router that has a ATA builtin and supported/tested with Avaya which might be a hasle. So probably just go the analog port routes but I'm just worried about the loop distance of some of the analog ports which could be almost 1000 feet. Don't know if the 30port boxes have the voltage for that. I'm sure there is a spec for that but have not looked it up.

I with avaya would support "Remotes" that we could extend the analog box farther than 6 ft from the main unit.

 

[hairlessupportmonkey]

how are you intending to isolate each handset from one another?

I would make them 5 digit extns at least with thei extn being the last 5 of their DDI. this will stop users dialing 3 digit numbers and dialing another room. eventually they will figure its a phone system and start doing nasty things.

delete all short codes apart from your essential dial codes.

 

[tlpeter]

Why 5 digits ? i would make them as long as you can (9 digits is the max)

Then internal dialing is almost impossible.


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[hairlessupportmonkey]

true.

 

[intrigrant]

Give each phone a hotline to a trunk and they cannot call internal extensions.

 

[MikeeNZ]

My 2cents worth, I run an IP500 with 248 analogue extensions and a 15 channels primary rate. No problems at all.

About to replace the primary rate with SIP and add an additional 30 POTS ports, so that should be interesting. The site is retirement village with the extensions spread out all over the place on fairly crappy cabling. I don’t know how long the cabling runs are but the lace is a combination of villas and apartments.

I use VDSL hardware for the users that require internet.

Also have a similar setup in an apartment block 11 floors with 180 extensions.

 

[qtelcom]

intrigrant, what would that code look like? Are talking about the ?D short code?

 

[Bas1234]

qtelecom, i think he is. add a ?D/./ARS to the user and it cannot dial internal anymore. Also putting the dial delay count to 0 works, but if you dial fast enough then you can make internal calls.

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[tlpeter]

If you use 9 digit extension then it still is almost impossible
I would love to try that

I see a new competition, who can dial a number the fastest


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[TomMills]

i would win hands down. i have very nimble fingers

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[tlpeter]

I do not want to know what you do with those fingers all day


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[Bas1234]

I use spdial numbers so who is faster...

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[tlpeter]

I am on the belmeniet register


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