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CiscoGuy33
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Billy,
GREAT job, even at my "old fart" age of 49 I still love those honors and cudo's from schools - other then making the National Dean's list, best I ever got was when one of my instructors told me a paper I wrote for her class was better then papers she read from other students in a PhD level class she was taking
Keep up the school as well as the certs because some day after you have made a ton of money working in networking and security you might want to teach it
Once again keep up the good work and don't keep us waiting.........
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
GREAT job, even at my "old fart" age of 49 I still love those honors and cudo's from schools - other then making the National Dean's list, best I ever got was when one of my instructors told me a paper I wrote for her class was better then papers she read from other students in a PhD level class she was taking
Keep up the school as well as the certs because some day after you have made a ton of money working in networking and security you might want to teach it
Once again keep up the good work and don't keep us waiting.........
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
I attempted the teaching bit for a class that our school considers the adv. voip class (installing and setting up CCM 4.1). I had a blast doing it, but I couldn't stay on topic. Luckily it was just a few people in the class since it was a pilot class and we were just really putting it together for the professor that was going to continue to teach it...
maybe later on when my brain calms down and my all spark dies down a lil bit (all spark = me changing topics in a split second for no real reason at all =P).
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Dallas, Texas
Telecommunications Tech
CCVP, CCNA, Net+
CCNP in the works
maybe later on when my brain calms down and my all spark dies down a lil bit (all spark = me changing topics in a split second for no real reason at all =P).
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Dallas, Texas
Telecommunications Tech
CCVP, CCNA, Net+
CCNP in the works
CiscoGuy33
Instructor
Dallas,
Having had a very, very technical guy with over 30 years of experience in computers and electronics for an instructor once, who could not teach his way out of a wet paper bag, I realized that not EVERYONE can teach :-(
It does take the right person - practice and good public speaking can help!!! Teaching 2-3 is a lot different then teaching a class of 35, I have been told by many that I am good at both sized groups !!! It helps a ton if you like what you do but it does take skills that not all have!!!
If you like it - work at it and when you take a class with what you think is a good teacher - WATCH what he or she does!!! They are skills that can be LEARNED!!!!
As far as getting off topic, it is very easy to do, and not doing that comes with practice as well as having an outline, schedule or teaching points to follow!!
Good luck!!
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
Having had a very, very technical guy with over 30 years of experience in computers and electronics for an instructor once, who could not teach his way out of a wet paper bag, I realized that not EVERYONE can teach :-(
It does take the right person - practice and good public speaking can help!!! Teaching 2-3 is a lot different then teaching a class of 35, I have been told by many that I am good at both sized groups !!! It helps a ton if you like what you do but it does take skills that not all have!!!
If you like it - work at it and when you take a class with what you think is a good teacher - WATCH what he or she does!!! They are skills that can be LEARNED!!!!
As far as getting off topic, it is very easy to do, and not doing that comes with practice as well as having an outline, schedule or teaching points to follow!!
Good luck!!
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
CiscoGuy33
Instructor
Burt,
Thats what I do, my full-time job at the college is as an admin - I teach as an "adjunct instructor" which is just a fancy name for a "part-time" teacher/instructor.
We have adjuct instructors who teach from 1 to 3 classes a semester and have been doing it like this for 15-20 years - they all have full-time gigs teaching high school or working in IT or business etc. One guy even teaches part-time at 2 different area colleges as well as teaching and doing IT work full-time at a high school!!
Most Cisco classes are taught at night because the people who take them and teach them normally work "in the industry" 9-5. Check with the Cisco Network Academies near you - if you found one that did CCNP also, you should be in like Flint, since finding CCNP's to teach is MUCH harder!!!!
FYI - if you have your BS or BA and have an ITT in your area - CHECK with them - they pay very well for part-time instructors - since the students pay sooo much for class - they love local experts such as CCNP's and they teach all sorts of networking classes!!!
Good luck and Happy New Year to ALL!!!!!
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
Thats what I do, my full-time job at the college is as an admin - I teach as an "adjunct instructor" which is just a fancy name for a "part-time" teacher/instructor.
We have adjuct instructors who teach from 1 to 3 classes a semester and have been doing it like this for 15-20 years - they all have full-time gigs teaching high school or working in IT or business etc. One guy even teaches part-time at 2 different area colleges as well as teaching and doing IT work full-time at a high school!!
Most Cisco classes are taught at night because the people who take them and teach them normally work "in the industry" 9-5. Check with the Cisco Network Academies near you - if you found one that did CCNP also, you should be in like Flint, since finding CCNP's to teach is MUCH harder!!!!
FYI - if you have your BS or BA and have an ITT in your area - CHECK with them - they pay very well for part-time instructors - since the students pay sooo much for class - they love local experts such as CCNP's and they teach all sorts of networking classes!!!
Good luck and Happy New Year to ALL!!!!!
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
Congrats on the Dean's list. That's always a great accomplishment.
I've toyed with contacting my local community college not so much for an adjunct position, but maybe as a substitute instructor or other assistance to fill in for some of the night classes.
Do they require a BS or BA for the adjunct instructor down there CG? That would be my hang up for being able to do it.
I've toyed with contacting my local community college not so much for an adjunct position, but maybe as a substitute instructor or other assistance to fill in for some of the night classes.
Do they require a BS or BA for the adjunct instructor down there CG? That would be my hang up for being able to do it.
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That's awesome! Several of my CCNA Net Acad classmates told me that I should take up teaching.. LoL I am in charge of training for my command (approximately 400 personnel) So I tech indoctrination courses on a weekly basis. I am also a CPR instructor and generally teach a couple of CPR classes a month. You are allowed 6 individuals in the class per instructor so I usually grab two or three other instructors (that is all that we have) and let them sit in on the class (and assist where needed)!
I may pursue a part time teaching career on down the line but I have a while before I have to worry about that! I am looking at something else though! Will let you know soon!
B Haines
CCNA R&S, ETA FOI
I may pursue a part time teaching career on down the line but I have a while before I have to worry about that! I am looking at something else though! Will let you know soon!
B Haines
CCNA R&S, ETA FOI
CiscoGuy33
Instructor
lerdalt,
At a college or community college
Depends on the College and whether the classes "transfer" to a 4 year college. Most AS classes are "technical" classes ment for a 2 year degree only and do not transfer, unlike AA classes that are ment to transfer.
Several years ago many colleges in Florida setup programs so that the AS classes transfered to 4 year programs, now these classes have to be taught by an instructor with a Masters or PhD in that area (at least 18 grad hours in that area). They could have a "teacher of record" like they do in most universities when a grad student teaches the class - technically a "prof" somewhere "oversees" the grad student teaching!! But that would be up to the different schoolsd and how badly they need a certified instructor.
Sad thing is that many places use who they have unless the class or program requires someone be certified such as in most medical training!! I would hate to tell you how many technical classes are taught by instructors who are only 2-3 chapters ahead of the students in the text book :-( At some colleges you might have a "prof" with his PhD from 20-25 years ago in computers, teaching a class on current technology - nothing says that he "needs" to be "up-to-date" on ANYTHING - he is a PhD The good thing is lots of them make money on the side writing technical books - so those instructors are up-to-date!!! Just ask your instructor what CURRENT CERTS he has and what has he done LATELY!!!!!!
Cisco Network Academy
In a Cisco Network Academy it just depends on "if" the classes count as regular classes at the college and transfer as discussed above. If they are Adult Education classes etc. then it is up to the school - all Cisco wants is for you to go through the "Train the Trainer" classes, which basicly means you found a school willing to have you teach for them and they send you for the training!!
To become a CCAI - Cisco Certified Academy Instructor you have to be Certified - like CCNA and then teach at least 1 semester of the CCNA class.
At ITT
At ITT you need to have a BA or BS or at least when I was about to teach for them a few years back - they pay very well and they had big bonuses for teaching Cisco classes - since I only had an AS I never got to teach for them.
Best thing is to talk to the school that you are interested in teaching at. Most only get subs from the adjuncts that teach for them already.
Hope this helps!
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
At a college or community college
Depends on the College and whether the classes "transfer" to a 4 year college. Most AS classes are "technical" classes ment for a 2 year degree only and do not transfer, unlike AA classes that are ment to transfer.
Several years ago many colleges in Florida setup programs so that the AS classes transfered to 4 year programs, now these classes have to be taught by an instructor with a Masters or PhD in that area (at least 18 grad hours in that area). They could have a "teacher of record" like they do in most universities when a grad student teaches the class - technically a "prof" somewhere "oversees" the grad student teaching!! But that would be up to the different schoolsd and how badly they need a certified instructor.
Sad thing is that many places use who they have unless the class or program requires someone be certified such as in most medical training!! I would hate to tell you how many technical classes are taught by instructors who are only 2-3 chapters ahead of the students in the text book :-( At some colleges you might have a "prof" with his PhD from 20-25 years ago in computers, teaching a class on current technology - nothing says that he "needs" to be "up-to-date" on ANYTHING - he is a PhD
The good thing is lots of them make money on the side writing technical books - so those instructors are up-to-date!!! Just ask your instructor what CURRENT CERTS he has and what has he done LATELY!!!!!! Cisco Network Academy
In a Cisco Network Academy it just depends on "if" the classes count as regular classes at the college and transfer as discussed above. If they are Adult Education classes etc. then it is up to the school - all Cisco wants is for you to go through the "Train the Trainer" classes, which basicly means you found a school willing to have you teach for them and they send you for the training!!
To become a CCAI - Cisco Certified Academy Instructor you have to be Certified - like CCNA and then teach at least 1 semester of the CCNA class.
At ITT
At ITT you need to have a BA or BS or at least when I was about to teach for them a few years back - they pay very well and they had big bonuses for teaching Cisco classes - since I only had an AS I never got to teach for them.
Best thing is to talk to the school that you are interested in teaching at. Most only get subs from the adjuncts that teach for them already.
Hope this helps!
E.A. Broda
CCNA, CCDA, CCAI, Network +
Yeah, I've got my AAS from a community college and was easy to pick out the instructors that were barely 1 day ahead of the students. Was even more entertaining when some of us students figured it out and would start asking questions from chapters ahead.
Haven't had the desire or drive to go for the BS. Think about it once in awhile, but can't come up with a good enough answer for why I should go for it. Would rather put my time and money into other forms of education.
Haven't had the desire or drive to go for the BS. Think about it once in awhile, but can't come up with a good enough answer for why I should go for it. Would rather put my time and money into other forms of education.
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