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Zone paging on a MICS

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norstarboy125

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Hello All,

I need a little brain refreshing here as it's been awhile since I've done multiple page zones on a MICS. I'm very aware that the Norstar system only has 1 external page port so I will have to use trunk ports to get this working. This is going to be a new install and the current phone system is a old Tie box which looks like something from the 70's. The phones have seperate keys for the different page zones and it even has a button for paging all zones. I think this is where I'm not actualy sure if the Norstar will be able to do that. If I connect these various zones to my trunk ports I don't have to dial any codes or such right? It just starts the page once that line key is pressed, so how would I accomplish this all page function that is currently working on this old Tie system on my new 0x32?

Jeremy J. Carter
Charm City Communications
Norstar. BCM. CS1000 Programmer
 
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You will need a seperate unit, like a Valcom but you have to press digits or get ATA's set up an auto dial key for each ATA extension to a zone then put all the ATA's in a page group and program a key.
 
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As suggested in the above post you will need something like a Valcom multi-zone paging unit. If I remember correctly the MICS paging port will pass DTMF at R6.1 or higher, so you won't have to use trunk ports. Doing it this way will require manually dialing the individual zones, or the all-zones access codes.

Brian Cox
Oregon Phone
 
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There is some Valcom paging equipment on-site now working on the old system. I don't know the exact model or anything yet but it has to be some kind of multiple zone paging amp cause it's doing the trick off the Tie system. If I can accomplish this without using trunk ports then that would be great.

Jeremy J. Carter
Charm City Communications
Norstar. BCM. CS1000 Programmer
 
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The TIE system is probably doing it with multiple trunks, does the TIE system have a display phone if so when you press the buttons to page does it display CO X, or when accessing a button to page a zone does the same button light up on other phones if so it is a CO input.
 
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I recently installed a V2006 and used a trunk port to access it.
The Valcom returns a tone once the access code is dialed and then user dials a zone number. Works great! I also assigned buttons on the upper keys (7310's) as external speed call numbers and created a Zone 1,2
3 as well as an 8+ "0" for all zones.
To top it off I added a Valcom "feedback eliminator" that takes the page , stores it for 1.5 seconds, then releases it.
The only thing I feel that we really accomplished with eliminator
is to stop feed back from analog sets in manufacturing. Customer was always complaining about that. Huge difference. Customer really likes the upgrade.
Might also take Exsmoggers advice and try the page port. I was unaware of this change in 6.1. I personally like the return of tone prior to dialing the zone number.

Good luck
 
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I will check to see if the Tie system is using Co's or not once I head back out there to start the install. I will post back once I get more info. Thanks

Jeremy J. Carter
Charm City Communications
Norstar. BCM. CS1000 Programmer
 
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Ok the cut-over went as planned but still having issues with the paging here. The bogen amps are 1 c35 and 2 c20's. They have wmt-1 adapters connected on the back of them which in return ran out to trunk ports on the old system. I tried to connect them to the page port on the Norstar which works but no zones, just all page. I had a spare clid card in my truck that I grabbed and installed it in the MICS and connected it but I got nothing? I believe that the card was good but I'm going back this week with a DS card to try this again. I guess one thing that I'm not to clear about here is how does the bogen know that when I want to page zone 2 or 3 by pressing f 632 etc. I'm not sure how it knows the digits and what to do? I don't know if there is a way to program the bogen with digits so that it knows what zone to hit? Any help would be appreciated...

Jeremy J. Carter
Charm City Communications
Norstar. BCM. CS1000 Programmer
 
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curly, when you press f 62 it doesn't let u enter a zone. It just says paging spkr, it doesn't allow u to hit a zone unless u just press it away? I'm not sure, have u tried this? This zone set-up worked on the old system so it should work on the new, I would think anyway.

Jeremy J. Carter
Charm City Communications
Norstar. BCM. CS1000 Programmer
 
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Brian,

That is the way I was trying it, f 631,632, etc. It is only doing a all page when connecting to the page port. I need to be able to do zones. If you read my thread above then you will see what I've tired to this point. I'm going to try this again with a DS card but I don't see why it wouldn't work with a CI card? I installed the CI card and made the proper connections and I got nothing, no overhead paging at all. If that doesn't work I'm thinking about placing some old sets in the damn ceiling and using those as spkrs...lol

Jeremy J. Carter
Charm City Communications
Norstar. BCM. CS1000 Programmer
 
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You need to clarify how the old system was setup, i.e is there overhead speakers, where the amps hooked up to the trunks ports, is there any other devices on the wall besides 2 amps. was it one amp for each zone?.

F61 plus Zone # - when paging phones and the need to page different areas through the phones.

F62 plus Zone # - when using amps and the need to page different area with overhead paging. You must have a zone module for this.

F63 plus Zone # (0 for all) - when wanting to page both phones and the over head speakers to a certain zone.




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curlycord
 
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After reading the TIE guide it looks like TIE only used trunk ports for paging, no set paging.

Not sure is same goes for other TIE systems.


In a lot of cases you need a 24 volt power supply such as a SAP (for a CAP) on half a pair for each trunk.
Example:
White/Blue from Trunk port to AMP
Blue/White from Trunk port to PS then out of PS to AMP.



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curlycord
 
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The purchase of the Valcom V2006 which I recommended on Nov. 16
and use of a trunk port you will find it will work perfectly. Not sure what the cost is but you would have saved yourself at least that amount in time and labor.2006 also comes with contact closures
and other bells and whistles that allow you to send out different tones for bldg. evacuation, break time, quit time, etc.
Most customers will find these options attractive.
Good luck

RBT
 
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Just for fun, this 368 page TIE dinosaur manual as well is here:

I recognize these as the phone systems that used to be in all the TJ Maxx and Zayre stores before Zayre's went bust in 1989 and they renamed TJX Companies. TJX smartly started switching their TJ Maxx stores to Norstar systems starting in 1990.

 
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