XP Windows 98 Networking

[Zig1]

I have three machines that I am trying to network. One with XP Pro, one with XP Home, and One with Windows 98 Second Edition. I am having difficulty getting the XP Pro Machines to see the Windows 98 machine and I can not get Internet Sharing to work. Does anyone have any suggestions?

The configurations are:
XP Home:
Host Name: user-51un08jsx8
Primary Dns Suffix:
Node Type: Unknown
IP Routing Enabled No
WINS Proxy Enabled No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix: Home
Description Via Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter
Physical Address: 00-0A-E6-A2-B7-AE
Dhcp Enabled: Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled: Yes
IP Address: 192.168.0.101
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server: 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers: 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:59:20 PM
Lease Expires: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:59:20 PM

XP Pro:
Windows IP Configuration XP Pro Machine

Host Name: Ziggy
Primary Dns Suffix:
Node Type: Hybred
IP Routing Enabled No
WINS Proxy Enabled No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix:
Description
Physical Address: 00-40-D5-81-90-F4
Dhcp Enabled: Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled: Yes
IP Address: 192.168.0.100
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server: 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers: 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained: 10/27/03 3:10 PM
Lease Expires: 11/3/03 3:10 PM

Windows 98 Machine:
Windows IP Configuration Windows 98 Machine

Host Name: OEMCOMPUTER.home
Primary Dns Suffix:
Node Type: Broacast
IP Routing Enabled
WINS Proxy Enabled

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix:
Description FE 575 Eithernet Adapter
Physical Address: 00-50-04-C8-B0-A5
Dhcp Enabled:
Autoconfiguration Enabled:
IP Address: 192.168.0.102
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server: 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers: 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained: 10/26/2003 19:32
Lease Expires: 11/2/2003 7:32

 

[jrbarnett]

Hi,

ICS seems to be running on the 98 machine (it has DHCP enabled and AutoConfiguration enabled without "Yes&quot.
Note that the default gateway address on each of them is to an address that is non existent (unless there is another PC on your network) so this is the problem for internet sharing, but this should be assigned through DHCP so I would do an IPCONFIG /RELEASE and IPCONFIG /RENEW on each XP box from the command prompt.

Remember:
All machines must have different NetBIOS names but the same workgroup name (default in 98 = WORKGROUP; default in XP Home is MSHOME; not sure about XP Pro). Win98 won't show up in My Network places on the XP box unless you have File and Printer Sharing for MS Networks installed on it plus at least one folder or printer shared; 98 needs Client for Microsoft Networks to access resources on the other boxes.

For a seamless connection, you will also need a user set up in each XP with the same username and password that Win98 logs on as - so it won't prompt for passwords.

John

 

[wolluf]

ICS should set the IP address of the LAN NIC to 192.168.0.1 (which as John said, doesn't appear to exist) - so more network details please (eg, are they connected to a hub, switch or router).

 

[bcastner]

The XP Pro machine would have a DNS suffix of Home, and it does not. The ICS Host machine is similarly misconfigured. Setting static IPs for ICS is trickier than you might think. There are several entries made into the ICS Host machines' HOSTS file, and dynamic DNS registration is enabled on all clients. As wolluf pointed out, your Gateway addressing is not correct either, and this is likely due to misconfiguration of the ICS Host and the attempt at static IPs on the clients.

See the MS KB on the steps required to do static IPs for ICS:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q309642

Troubleshooters:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q308006

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/ics/ics_troubleshoot.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q306126sp&NoWebContent=1

 

[Zig1]

I tried the IPCONFIG/RELEASE IPCONFIG/RENEW and found no changes on the two XP Machines. When I tried it on the Windows 98 machine, I got the message DHCP Server unable to renew adaptor. The IP Address changed to 169.254.91.172, the Subnet Address to 255.255.0.0, and the Default Gateway, DHCP Server, and DNS Server addresses went blank.

I am connecting the machines through a DLink Broadband Router Model DI 604.

Thanks for any help.

 

[thedaver]

I'm having an identical problem getting Win98/se to see WinXP Home through dlink DI604. I have DHCP on the XP and fixed IP on the '98.

I recall that there's some sort of utility supplied by XP install that gets used against the Win98 crowd to help them see the new XP Neighborhood. Anybody know this one?

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[bcastner]

If you use the XP Network Wizard, it allows you to create a floppy installation disk for Win9x machines. But there is no special feature or utility to the disk. It is straight MS networking configuration.

Now that I know you are on a router, ICS cannot be used if there is another DHCP, DNS or Gateway device on the network. It cannot be made to work. You will have to look to Third Party Proxy software to have dial-up in this setting.

 

[bcastner]

There is one alternative: Disable DHCP on the router. Disconnect everything but the planned ICS Host machine. Configure ICS on that machine. Set the other ICS clients to "Obtain an IP address automaticly", which I suspect they already are. Plug everybody back into the router. The router is essentially nothing more than a switch at this point. Remember that the WAN port of the router will not be used.

 

[Zig1]

I think this explains the Internet Connection Sharing, but what about the networing in general?

Why can't the Windows 98 machine see the XP machines and the XP machines see the windows 98 machines? The XP Machines can see eachother.

Why did the IPCONFIG/RELEASE IPCONFIG/RENEW on the Windows 98 machine change the IP Address to 169.254.91.172, the Subnet Address to 255.255.0.0, and the Default Gateway, DHCP Server, and DNS Server addresses went blank?

Thanks for any help,

Zig1

 

[bcastner]

1. There are several possibilities why a computer does not appear in Network Neighborhood. Usually going through a complete checklist for each machine can identify the issue. See for a good list:

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

2. Why it failed DHCP is another issue of many possible causes. I encourage you to repair your Winsock service stack, as all the changes could have confounded something. This utility makes it easy to do:

http://members.shaw.ca/techcd/VB_Projects/WinsockFix.zip

 

[Zig1]

Hi Bcaster,

Last night I tried your suggestion of removing all but one of the machines from the Router and got the same results. I guess the router wants to keep 192.168.0.1 for itself, even if there is only one machine attached to it.

I will go through the practicallynetworked checklist and Winsock cleanup tonight. Can the cleanup be run on the Windows 98 Machine or just the XP machines?

Is there something that I could use to connect the machines rather than the DLink Router that would insure connections from all 3 machines (XP Home, XP Pro, and Windows 98) and allow for internet connectivity from all machines with a dial up internet connection, or is the only real solution Cable or DSL??

Thanks,

Zig1

 

[bcastner]

Disable DHCP on the router.
Set the router's LAN IP address to 192.168.0.254, Subnet 255.255.255.0, Gateway 192.168.0.1