Word 2002: Cannot see pictures 3

[youandmee]

Hi
I have a huge problem in the MS Word 2002, inside the document on which I have been working hard for almost half year with daily work in averange 6 hours per day and Im much worried about it.
In the documents I have many pictures, so many that I cannot choose manually every single one - it could take entire day just for this. My problem is that pasted pictures most of times aren't shown. Usually I just don't see them. Sometimes (but very rare) it works well and I don't change any options. Also another times, they are shown but immediately when I go to mouse middle mouse button (going up or going down the document) pictures aren't shown anymore.
I have used google on this problem and, regarding to what I found, I can ensure you that:

- Tools\Options\Printing: drawing objects IS checked
- Tools\Options\View: picture placeholders is NOT checked
- Tools\Options\View: drawings IS checked

Hopefully I can get assist with this because my deadline to complete my project inside the document will come soon and, along many others subjects, I also have to do some modifications (and after them repaste them on the same position inside Word) but I cannot if I don't see the pictures within Word. If I print, it works perfectly and pictures are well shown. But I have to always (and not just sometimes) see them within Word too - all of them, not just few.

Please help.

 

[MakeItSo]

Hi

1.) You can only "sometimes" see the pictures, because Word needs to load them into the RAM first, which can take a while, especially if the file is as large as you indicate. If you scroll before the image is loaded, you won't see more than a white box at the most.

2.) If you deal with such amounts of images and text, I would really, really recommend you link images into Word rather than embedding them.

This prevents the Word document from bloating into extremes, which will also keep it more stable.
Remember: with Office documents, there is always the danger of "spontaneous file corruption"!

Please also make sure before you print to switch into "print preview" view mode and to scroll down all pages. This will force Word to load the images properly and will ensure that all pictures print nicely. It will also allow YOU to check all your page breaks.
;-)

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
MakeItSo


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[youandmee]

why is everyone ignoring me?

 

[MakeItSo]

Did you even read my response?


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[youandmee]

MakeItSo of course I did, thank you for your care but what you suggested doesn't help. I appreciate your reply a lot but only relevant and helpful reply counts as "reply". Since it doesn't help, that means equal to no reply at all. Just yesterday, worked fine but no clue what happened today. Been waiting for a way too much (over two hours) with .doc file opened. One minute of waiting would be too much to have the photos loaded. It used to load (all of them) within few seconds.
Thats why I would like to please if someone could reply and thank you in advance.

 

[MakeItSo]

What have you done between when it worked fine and when it started not working fine anymore?
Still doesn't sound like an Office problem to me.
Check your Task manager. Is some process clogging your memory?

Also: you said "pasted" pictures rather than "embedded" - does that mean your pictures don't exist as physical files?

You don't want to say you spend half a year working six hours a day on a document with hundreds of pictures none of which you have saved???

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[cmeagan656]

First, to complain that everyone is ignoring you after less than four hours is a sure way to get yourself booted from this forum. There are many experts on this forum that live in various time zones around the world.

Second, any reply counts as a reply. Just because you don't find it relevant and helpful doesn't mean that other members are ignoring you.

1. What is the size of your Word file?
2. How much memory does your computer have?
3. How much memory is "free"?

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[SkipVought]

but only relevant and helpful reply counts as "reply". Since it doesn't help, that means equal to no reply at all.

WOW! Quite a lecture! What an attitude!

I saw some great replys, relevant in your mind or not!

To say that only relevant replies count is the height of disrespect and arrogance.

You owe MakeItSo a contrite appology.


Skip,
[sub]
Just traded in my old subtlety...
for a NUANCE![/sub]

 

[youandmee]

SkipVought it wasn't meant as any kind of offense towards MakeItSo. I wanted to say that, after reading and doing what he/she suggested, I had exactly the same situation as I had before I opened this topic. So same as you said SkipVought;

MakeItSo if you took my reply to you as an offense, or even if you didn't, I apologize.

MakeItSo between it worked fine and between I started to NOT see pictures anymore, I did some text modifications. Thats all. No processes are clogging my memory.
I don't have physical files. I used to copy/paste (usually from xp's integrated software Design) and then close Design (=designer?) without saving.
Yes, I don't have saved pictures anywhere but I have few backups. Exactly the same file I tried on another computer (which isn't my own) and it worked fine - all pictures were visible after doc file was loaded. Without waiting. But I have to fix the issue on my own computer because I have at least one month and half of hard work in front of me and cannot afford to take someone's elses computer.

cmeagan656 size of a single word file is 3.6 MB. I havd 512 DRAM. Im running this file on USB key which has capacity of 3,72 GB. 286 MB is free. I know I have very small amount of RAMs but it USED to work, I was able to see the photos normally. I doubt that the problem is in graphic card.

 

[cmeagan656]

Exactly the same file I tried on another computer (which isn't my own) and it worked fine - all pictures were visible after doc file was loaded. Without waiting.

How much RAM on the computer that you tried it on. You say that it used to work, but what size was the file when it used to work.

512 MB RAM is the bare minimum requirement to run Windows XP on let alone work on a Word document with lots of photos in it.

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[youandmee]

On other computer is also 512 RAM. I tried exactly the same file. So it was also 3,6 MB. One or two hours ago I used to reboot computer. After rebooting I was able to see the pictures (all, otherwise it would be no point) immediately after I opened doc file. Then I was working on my project about two more hours. It used to work fine (every single picture was being showed when I was scrolling pages up and down) for two hours now but few minutes ago, photos aren't shown again. Thanks God that I saved the file with latest modifications. So I didn't lose anything.
Im pretty sure if I reboot computer, pictures will be shown again fine when opening doc file but rebooting every one or two hours just for this is annoying... Would like to know any proper solution.

 

[cmeagan656]

How long did you work on it on the other computer? Did the other computer have exactly the same programs open as yours does when you work on the file? The problem sounds more computer/resource related than Word 2002 related and I'm still leaning toward a problem with the memory.

Open Task Manager and see what processes are using up your memory.

Also, how much virtual memory do you have and how much is being used. The more you work on a file the more gets written to memory. That's why it will work at first and then eventually fail. If your pagefile is fragmented it won't help any either.

Working on the file from a USB key doesn't help either. It would be best to copy the file to your hard drive, work on it, and copy it back to your USB key. Word is much more efficient and stable if the file is stored locally.

Hope this helps.

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[youandmee]

I didn't work on the project (exactly the same doc file) on other computer, only on my. I just opened the file and saw that all pictures are immediately, without waiting, able to be seen after I opened the file so I closed it.
No, the other computer didn't have exactly the same programs opened as I had on my computer. But I, on my computer, tried to end some processes in Task Manager but no success at all. Also I used to scan for malware / spyware / worms / etc.
I have 512 RAM of virtual memoty. In the task manager, at the bottom of it, it says ''Using CPU: X'' where X is the number which varies. Usually its 0% but it goes also up to around 18%. Is this what you were asking?
Same problem occurs also if I open the file which is saved on internal hard drive.

 

[cmeagan656]

If you didn't work on it on the other computer then you have no way of knowing if, after time, the performance falls off on that other computer.

Try upping your virtual memory to 1 1/2 times your physical memory. In your case - 768 MB.

No, I'm looking for memory usage not CPU usage. I'm running Windows 7 now so my task manager is slightly different but somewhere there should be a stat for Physical Memory. In my case it's on the performance tab but it also shows to the right of where the "Using CPU: X" shows.

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[youandmee]

How do I "up" (whatever does this mean) my virtual memory to 1 1/2 times my physical (?) memory?

On the right side of "Using CPU: X" says, about the memory (cache?) 529 M. If the following sentence say anything to you: I repeat that it says "M" and not "MB".

 

[MakeItSo]

Howdy there!

1.) Indeed I found that lecture arrogant but wasn't offended let alone insulted by it, as your posts suggested that you're still quite a noob.

2.) As I assumed, you don't have a Word problem but a definite memory problem. 512 MB RAM is way too little to do intensive image embedding work...
As to increasing your virtual memory:

http://www.delete-computer-history.com/increase-virtual-memory.html

3.) Given that the project is of high importance to you, and given that you don't have the pictures saved as individual files, you risk losing them due to file corruption. Not a good thing.

I do have a tool I once wrote, which extracts embedded images from a Word document, saves them to individual files and links them back into the Word doc at the correct position.

It doesn't always work, depending on how the images have been embedded. But If you don't mind, I would like to help you with this one. If you can upload the files to a file sharing service, I could process the file for you. It should decrease the size of the document and the risk of file corruption significantly. Also the loading speed.

Cheers,
MakeItSo

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[youandmee]

Ok I will check cmeagan656's suggestion and your link. Hopefully it will work. Thank you to both of you.

 

[papadba]

If you still do not have all of these images saved on your computer (outside of this document), suggest you go to the "other" computer and save all of the individually and carry it back to "your computer" on a flash drive.

Once you have backups, then proceeding to fix the problem file would be good.

 

[MakeItSo]

Any news on this?

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[npostrado]

Hi, used to have the same problem before... (I'm thinking that you have to work with what you have on your pc, otherwise I would suggest that you add more RAM to your PC). How much free space do you have on your Hard disk?

This is what you can do to your PC. (This will give you more system resources for your PC)

1. Try cleaning your startup by using the "MSCONFIG" Command.
-uncheck everything except for your antivirus software.
(Restart your computer and click on the "do not show' button
after the restart)
2. Turn off any Screensaver you might be using/ for your power
schemes, make sure that for all options "never" is selected
(Turn off Hard disks, System Standby, System Hibernates)
3. If you have time defrag your hard disk.

For your Word Documents, this is what you can do...

1. Make sure that your pictures have been compressed fully. (I try not to use .bmp files when pasting pictures into documents. I would go with .jpg files. I use Advanced jpeg compressor to compress files.

2. Since you dont have that much resources to begin with. Try separating your document by pages to make it smaller (Easier to load). (If you have a 3.5 file made up of 10 pages, separate them into two files, which should give you 2 documents made up of 5 pages each, 1.75 MB respectively). If quality of the embedded photos is an issue then this step should help you out also.

Hope this helps...