Tek-Tips is the largest IT community on the Internet today!
Members share and learn making Tek-Tips Forums the best source of peer-reviewed technical information on the Internet!
-
Congratulations strongm on being selected by the Tek-Tips community for having the most helpful posts in the forums last week. Way to Go!
Windows 10 1
- Thread starter CCX008
- Start date
1. The Windows 10 forum is here: forum1828
2. They force you to what?
3. The free install does not expire. The only thing that expires is the availability of it being free. Once installed, its a full working Windows 10 install.
The only thing that may be a little gray here is how the updates work. If you decide to turn off certain automatic things of, some other features may not be available.
You may want to read through this thread:
I updated a Dell Inspiron laptop from 8.1 to 10. I've had no real issues, other than Cortana not actually working in my region for no apparent reason.
What exactly are you having thoughts about?
----------------------------------
Phil AKA Vacunita
----------------------------------
Ignorance is not necessarily Bliss, case in point:
Unknown has caused an Unknown Error on Unknown and must be shutdown to prevent damage to Unknown.
Web & Tech
2. They force you to what?
3. The free install does not expire. The only thing that expires is the availability of it being free. Once installed, its a full working Windows 10 install.
The only thing that may be a little gray here is how the updates work. If you decide to turn off certain automatic things of, some other features may not be available.
You may want to read through this thread:
I updated a Dell Inspiron laptop from 8.1 to 10. I've had no real issues, other than Cortana not actually working in my region for no apparent reason.
What exactly are you having thoughts about?
----------------------------------
Phil AKA Vacunita
----------------------------------
Ignorance is not necessarily Bliss, case in point:
Unknown has caused an Unknown Error on Unknown and must be shutdown to prevent damage to Unknown.
Web & Tech
- Thread starter
- #3
Thanks, was researching and found my answer to the "Q" :
10 reasons you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 10
10 reasons you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 10
johnherman
MIS
Does anyone really believe that Windows 10 is free? How can a company give away things for free and remain in business? Think twice before you abandon the stability, security, and relative privacy of Windows 7. Think about what kinds of business models support "free". Advertising comes to mind....or secret government subsidies from NSA. <eyes shifting side to side>
==================================
adaptive uber info galaxies (bigger, better, faster, and more adept than agile innovative cognitive big data clouds)
==================================
adaptive uber info galaxies (bigger, better, faster, and more adept than agile innovative cognitive big data clouds)
rclarke250
Technical User
Put on a tin hat, sit in the dark, and cower....
CCX008 said:
The same author also wrote:
10 reasons you should upgrade to Windows 10
Hopefully before reaching any conclusions, you're researching thoroughly and not stopping at the first positive or negative article you find. In general, the consensus leans in favor of Windows 10 as a worthy successor to Windows 7, and undoubtedly Windows 8.1. I don't have any personal experience yet, but that is based off a number of articles I've read already.
johnherman said:
Yes, I think a lot of people (especially non-techies) do think it's completely free. But you and I - along with most that frequent this site - know that it's not exactly free in the sense that you're getting everything you're used to getting with a Windows install. Basic core functionality is free, but Microsoft is adopting a "pay-as-you-go" business model that essentially turns your desktop into an online app store. You can purchase the add-ons you want full access to and functionality unlocked from. Honestly, Microsoft had little choice in the matter in light of what other heavyweights in the industry are doing, such as Google. It's not a terrible strategy, but it's sure to provoke the ire of many who will be getting the wake-up call at some point once they realize they have to pay for Solitaire and a DVD player app. For those who are fine with using free apps available on the web instead of Microsoft's software as a solution to this conundrum, then it's reasonable to assume Windows 10 may very well be completely free to a lot of people.
Good articles on the subject that present multiple viewpoints:
-Carl
"The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty: it's twice as big as it needs to be."
[tab][navy]For this site's posting policies, click [/navy]here.
10. Well Cortana needs access to your private stuff, if you want her to be able to find things in them when you ask. Seems kind of obvious to me. If she can't access email, she can't search when you ask her to.
And really, the only thing being sent to MS is your voice so it can be translated into a command for Cortana. The search is still local.
9. Blatantly False, I use One Drive, and can see the entirety of my One Drive in Windows Explorer. I simply have not selected a specific folder to show.
8. O.k, but who really still wants to do this? Media Center hasn't really been a selling point for any Windows Version since XP.
7. More to to with developers wanting to develop universal Apps or not, than really any fault of the OS itself. So the choice is stay on a Windows version that can't use any Universal Apps any way. Or Update to one that can use them, but there just aren't that many. I'd say a few is more than none.
6. Edge works fine. Sure its still very early in its life, but I haven't encountered really any issues. Mail on the other hand, sorta just hung on me. Had to force close it, and reboot the computer before it came back. so i'll give them that one.
5. Tablet Mode... ehh... o.k. not much there. But I have to scratch my head at the comment about "If you liked Windows 8 metro ..." I though most everybody hated the Metro Start Screen. Its still mostly the same though.
4. That's neither here nor there. A reason you should not update, is because you may need to wait a bit to actually be able to update?
3. A little more valid, but still, nothing is perfect. Any thing that changes something else has the potential of having un-forseen side effects. And Updates generally fix things.
2. That's true. But, really, if that were the case entirely, everybody would still be on Windows XP service pack 2.
1. Questions??? There's always going to be something you don't know. I fail to see how not knowing something is a valid reason for not updating to Windows 10.
I'd say out of those only 2 maybe 3 are actually valid reasons not to update.
----------------------------------
Phil AKA Vacunita
----------------------------------
Ignorance is not necessarily Bliss, case in point:
Unknown has caused an Unknown Error on Unknown and must be shutdown to prevent damage to Unknown.
Web & Tech
rclarke250
Technical User
10. Don't care, don't use it
9. As if One Drive is the only Cloud drive I had set up and use, I have Box,Dropbox,Google Drive,and Copy, I have a little over 50GB of free space, and that is after 48GB of free space Samsung gave me to use when I bought my phone. All came over, and remained setup in 10, I didn't have to do anything except log into each account again at most.
8. I use media center on windows 7 home theater machines, that have quad cable card tuner in them to record cable tv shows. So it was a selling point for me, and a reason those machines will not be upgrading. And also there is a dvd player in windows 10.
7. don't care
6. I just use Live mail form microsoft essentials 2011, it was on my 7 machine, and is still working great, I see no reason to change. And with Outlook,Yahoo,and Gmail, I just use the web clients for each.
5. Tablet mode, who cares, I am using a desktop, and stay 99% on the desktop.
4. just go and download it to a USB stick, no waiting so how is this even a reason for anything. I had it downloaded and setup on a bootable thumb drive, only needed a 4Gb drive, day 1, 20 minutes from when I started looking for it.
3. patches are inevitable with any software, suck it up buttercup.
2. Agree with Phil above.
1. Again agree with Phil
9. As if One Drive is the only Cloud drive I had set up and use, I have Box,Dropbox,Google Drive,and Copy, I have a little over 50GB of free space, and that is after 48GB of free space Samsung gave me to use when I bought my phone. All came over, and remained setup in 10, I didn't have to do anything except log into each account again at most.
8. I use media center on windows 7 home theater machines, that have quad cable card tuner in them to record cable tv shows. So it was a selling point for me, and a reason those machines will not be upgrading. And also there is a dvd player in windows 10.
7. don't care
6. I just use Live mail form microsoft essentials 2011, it was on my 7 machine, and is still working great, I see no reason to change. And with Outlook,Yahoo,and Gmail, I just use the web clients for each.
5. Tablet mode, who cares, I am using a desktop, and stay 99% on the desktop.
4. just go and download it to a USB stick, no waiting so how is this even a reason for anything. I had it downloaded and setup on a bootable thumb drive, only needed a 4Gb drive, day 1, 20 minutes from when I started looking for it.
3. patches are inevitable with any software, suck it up buttercup.
2. Agree with Phil above.
1. Again agree with Phil
>to pay for Solitaire and a DVD player app
Psst - as rclarke250 suggests, if you had the ability to play DVDs in Window 7, 8 or 8.1, then your free upgrade to Windows 10 also entitles you to a free copy of the current Microsoft DVD player ( ypu need to have done an in-place upgrade rather than a clean install though)
Psst - as rclarke250 suggests, if you had the ability to play DVDs in Window 7, 8 or 8.1, then your free upgrade to Windows 10 also entitles you to a free copy of the current Microsoft DVD player ( ypu need to have done an in-place upgrade rather than a clean install though)
strongm said:
It's important to point out that while it will be free initially, Microsoft has stated that it will only be "free for a limited time" (as you can read in the Forbes article I posted above). It will be interesting to see what other basic necessities will become "add-ons" down the road.
-Carl
"The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty: it's twice as big as it needs to be."
[tab][navy]For this site's posting policies, click [/navy]here.
johnherman
MIS
Interesting that Microsoft, a company that once wanted to bundle everything into their Operating System (to squash the competition), is now removing features from the OS to make them "value added" profit makers. Has Microsoft really changed their root philosophy or is this just profiteering?
==================================
adaptive uber info galaxies (bigger, better, faster, and more adept than agile innovative cognitive big data clouds)
==================================
adaptive uber info galaxies (bigger, better, faster, and more adept than agile innovative cognitive big data clouds)
Maybe it is similar to buying a car. Floor mats are add-in’s, they don’t come with the new cars any more. Pretty soon it will be: “Do you want the steering wheel option or not? For a small additional charge we will add working breaks to your car”
Have fun.
---- Andy
A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.
Have fun.
---- Andy
A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.
>basic necessities
I'd suggest that MS haven't considered DVD playback to be a necessity for some years (sure, you might argue with their decision, but it isn't like they are being inconsistent). They pulled the native DVD player out of the OS some years ago.
> Has Microsoft really changed their root philosophy
Software as a Service (SaaS), which is where MS seem to want to be, is a different model. It remains to be seen whether, once the free upgrade phase passes, the world is happy to accept Windows delivered this way.
I'd suggest that MS haven't considered DVD playback to be a necessity for some years (sure, you might argue with their decision, but it isn't like they are being inconsistent). They pulled the native DVD player out of the OS some years ago.
> Has Microsoft really changed their root philosophy
Software as a Service (SaaS), which is where MS seem to want to be, is a different model. It remains to be seen whether, once the free upgrade phase passes, the world is happy to accept Windows delivered this way.
OK, so calling it a "necessity" was a bit of a stretch. I still think it will be a wake-up call for many to find out that basic features like this are becoming part of the new business model, whether that's for better or for worse. The larger concern beyond playing DVDs, is what other "basic" apps are going this route? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
-Carl
"The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty: it's twice as big as it needs to be."
[tab][navy]For this site's posting policies, click [/navy]here.
-Carl
"The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty: it's twice as big as it needs to be."
[tab][navy]For this site's posting policies, click [/navy]here.
-
1
- #15
rclarke250
Technical User
Also, you must realize, that a lot of the decisions to pull some of the functionality wasn't Microsofts decision, it was because they lost lawsuits with the European Union. I also agree that DVD playback is not a necessity, a lot of computers don't even come with media drives. And it's not like you can't download a ton of free use players out there, like VLC, Media8 and others to take the place, so who cares if Microsoft will charge for it later, who would pay for it? I don't care what Microsoft applications that are included in Windows, they decide they no longer want to support and pull from the install, it's not like we don't hunt out and use alternatives to most of them anyways. Notepad+, Firefox,Chrome,webmail,inbox8,open office, and others. I don't need my OS to be a swiss army knife of applications, I just need it to be the operating system, I can hunt out and install the applications I need or want, you know, like we did with DOS.
Nelviticus
Programmer
Microsoft has to pay to include DVD playback and most people no longer make use of it, that's why it's being left out of Windows 10. See this FAQ that Microsoft put out when they left Media Center out of Windows 8.
VLC can offer free software that plays back DVDs because they're based in France, which doesn't recognise software patents.
Nelviticus
VLC can offer free software that plays back DVDs because they're based in France, which doesn't recognise software patents.
Nelviticus
I agree with the sentiment, especially from a technical point of view. We shouldn't expect the OS to be loaded with apps, and there are plenty of solutions out there, many of which are free. The point is that for those who have grown accustomed to the built-in functionality, such as some non-technical users, they may be in for a rude wake-up call some time after making the transition. For the record, it doesn't bother me personally. Just being purely speculative at this point on the impact it will have overall.
![[thumbsup2]](/data/assets/smilies/thumbsup2.gif "[thumbsup2] [thumbsup2]")
- Thread starter
- #18
wow..didn't know I was sticking into a wasp nest...still confused but after my 14 year daughter told me (she is on a gaming laptop) don't do it and I already told her that ...everything is confirmed ...
And btw "cortana" the beginning of artificial intelligence ...be afraid ...be very afraid Elon Musk: Artificial Intelligence 'Potentially More Dangerous Than Nukes':
Elon Musk, billionaire founder of Tesla and SpaceX, has warned that artificial intelligence could be "potentially more dangerous" than nuclear weapons.
Musk made the comment in a tweet recommending Superintelligence, a book by Nick Bostrom on artificial intelligence that involves a robot uprising.
And btw "cortana" the beginning of artificial intelligence ...be afraid ...be very afraid Elon Musk: Artificial Intelligence 'Potentially More Dangerous Than Nukes':
Elon Musk, billionaire founder of Tesla and SpaceX, has warned that artificial intelligence could be "potentially more dangerous" than nuclear weapons.
Musk made the comment in a tweet recommending Superintelligence, a book by Nick Bostrom on artificial intelligence that involves a robot uprising.
rclarke250
Technical User
I for one, would welcome our robot overlords.
- Status
Similar threads