Windows 10 FUD 3

[johnherman]

The author of the below article attempts to ease fears about several controversial aspects to Windows 10. I, for one, don't want MS shoving updates onto my machine at the time of their choosing. I'm also not real fond of Windows Updates being distributed. I simply don't trust other computers to deliver only the Update, and I certainly don't want my bandwidth being used to update other computers. MS is really heading toward dictatorial control of MY personal computer, and I don't like it. I will be having one Windows 10 machine because Windows is so pervasive in the IT world, but it will not be my workstation of choice. I really resent their attempts to control my computer and network.

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...8cd54e768a66#tk.CTWNLE_nlt_dailyam_2015-08-25

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[Beilstwh]

I personally think that for home machines it is a great idea to push the updates. almost all home users never updated their machines. As for the distributed updates, that is VERY easy to turn off so you only get them from Microsoft. It's mostly meant for corporate sites.

Bill
Lead Application Developer
New York State, USA

 

[johnherman]

If you read the article and the comments, the opinion expressed in several of the comments is that Microsoft will allow you to turn off certain things now, but will assume full control after Windows 10 adoption is more widespread. And the User Agreement/License allows them to take control like that. Makes me want to physically pull the plug on my Internet whenever I'm not actually on the 'net. There's no telling what Microsoft will report to the M$ Mother Ship, or NSA, or whatever backdoor a hacker can find within this whole distributed Windows update process. The whole thing just makes me very upset. As I mentioned, if Windows was not pervasive in the IT industry, I would be ending my relationship with the Windows OS at Win7. As it is, my Win 10 machine will not participate in my local network. I will be accessing the internet either with a standalone Windows 10 machine, or via my home network, and never the two shall meet.

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[johnherman]

I just thought of a great analogy. Microsoft is producing cars with only Automatic Transmissions, because a majority of the people either don't know how or don't want to be bothered with manually shifting gears. By failing to provide a Manual Transmission option on Windows, M$ is risking its product with developers, the people who actually like the nuts and bolts and don't mind shifting gears. "Build something that's foolproof, and only a fool will use it." - anonymous

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[dilettante]

A better analogy might be padded passenger cocoons because some people refuse to wear seat belts.

But there are some headaches here, such as people with ISP caps that are very low getting hit with penalities. This is probably really only an issue for those in the boonies living with mobile data or WISP service but for them it could be quite a headache since Win10 updating uses far more bandwidth than past schemes did due to larger and more frequent updates.

One funny thing is that this shadow BitTorrent-type feature ought to make far more sense on corporate LANs than out among consumers. A few machines could bring it in-house then pass it around over the cheap LAN, saving expensive WAN bandwidth.

 

[linney]

Windows Update Delivery Optimization: FAQ

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-10/windows-update-delivery-optimization-faq

Windows 10 Automatic Updates

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-updates/44b16bb2-9773-42a4-a25c-59f187f0f5f9

See Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System\Advanced System Settings\Hardware\Device Installation Settings





What Does “Defer Upgrades” in Windows 10 Mean?

http://www.howtogeek.com/223083/what-does-“defer-upgrades”-in-windows-10-mean/

New Microsoft tool will hide or block unwanted Windows 10 updates

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/20...ll-hide-or-block-unwanted-windows-10-updates/

A workaround to Turn Off Windows Update in Windows 10

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/turn-off-windows-update-in-windows-10

 

[johnherman]

@linney - Did you actually read the article and the comments? I'm not interested in MS position on our options *at this time*. What bothers me is that the EULA allows MS to essentially do whatever they want to my PC and Network in exchange for them letting me run their OS. That's pretty scary.

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[strongm]

@johnherman Have you actually read the EULA, or just people's I'll-informed rants about it?

 

[goombawaho]

almost all home users never updated their machines.

Since Windows XP this was not the case since Automatic Updates was turned on by default.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares.

 

[johnherman]

@strongm YUP - it's wonderful potty material.

I realize that lawyers write the EULA, but they've left soooo many openings for MS to do whatever they want that it's just scary. I bet 95% or more don't read the EULA, otherwise there would be more of an uproar.

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[goombawaho]

So, given your paranoia about updates, just stick with Windows 7 permanently.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares.

 

[strongm]

Sorry to be obtuse, but can you please point out the gap in the EULA that "allows MS to essentially do whatever they want to my PC and Network". I can't see it. Indeed, the terms of the EULA are pretty much as they have been since at least XP days, only somewhat simplified and clearer. There are some changes in the Microsoft's Privacy Policy concerning Windows (something somewhat different from the EULA, since it covers far, far more than Windows), but those changes a very, very explicit about what data is collected, when, and how, and how to disable that data collection if you want (noting that you may lose access to some services if you deactivate). Note again that much of the privacy policy is NOT new.

 

[johnherman]

Let's see, could there possibly be any problem with agreeing to this statement:
"The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. ... By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice." ?

So, depending on their definition of "system" and "app", which they reserve the right to change , MS could download trial versions of bloatware and immediately activate them, advertisements that I can't shut off, and system enhancements that might provide all kinds of personal data to the Microsoft Mother Ship, NSA, and whoever else that they want to supply it to. It gives MS the right to take over my hardware and network to accomplish their system activities, without regard to any current activities I'm pursuing. It's just a giant "give away" of any rights that the owner of the hardware and network connections has with respect to the utilization of those assets. If you don't see the danger in this, I suggest you read (or re-read) Animal Farm.

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[strongm]

It's a huge leap from automatic updates to MS taking over your hardware and network. You do realise that MS define what they means by 'system' and 'apps' elsewhere (section 1a, for example)? And where in the EULA does it suggest that MS reserve the right to change that definition at all, let alone to anything they like? You are of course entitled to your personal view, but your scenario is not supported by the EULA.

Of course, there are potential dangers with an automatic updates (the 'bad patch' scenario, for example). Microsoft have weighed up the pros and cons, and come down in favour of automatic updates. It remains to be seen if that is a good decision in the long run (the recent fiasco with the nVidia driver being a example of why it might not be 100% good idea ...)

Let's look at a couple of of your other assertions:

"I, for one, don't want MS shoving updates onto my machine at the time of their choosing"

Only an issue for Windows 10 Home.

"I certainly don't want my bandwidth being used to update other computers. MS is really heading toward dictatorial control of MY personal computer"

It's an option. You can switch it on or off. How is that dictatorial?

>provide all kinds of personal data to the Microsoft Mother Ship

You might want to read the Privacy Policy I mentioned previously. It provides excruciating detail of what data gets sent to Microsoft and how it is used. Here's a clue - much of it is not personally identifiable, and most of it is used to ensure various features work (i.e. rather than 'provide us with personal data, and in exchange we'll let you use a feature", the reality is that the feature cannot work without the data, for example Cortana's natural language processing is predominantly carried out in the cloud, so naturally it needs to upload your recorded voice to the cloud; it can't work if it does not)

 

[goombawaho]

I'm giving you all a lot of credit for not only READING at least parts of the EULA but then being able to argue about the MEANING within.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares.

 

[johnherman]

How is this decision not dictatorial? There are no options.

Does anyone really believe that Windows 10 is free? What kind of business model supports free? How can internet websites like CNN, ESPN, YouTube,.... be free?

This will be my last post in this thread - I've made my points and thank you for reading.

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[Beilstwh]

Every place where Windows 10 EULA says that they are going to gather data you can turn it off using options. And when the say that they are going to modify apps and the OS, it means ONLY Microsoft apps life office, which should be patched. All patches are first installed and tested by the Windows 10 Insider's program people and then are released to the general population about a week later. The distributed patching is an option which you can turn off and it only goes to Microsoft. I have already modified this option. I really do not understand your alarm.

Bill
Lead Application Developer
New York State, USA

 

[strongm]

>There are no options.

And this is completely untrue EXCEPT in the case of Windows 10 Home.

 

[dilettante]

Of course for all we know Home Edition may far outstrip others in market share. Numbers are hard to find because of the vacuous web User-Agent statistics most often shown that don't reflect it. I wonder if Microsoft publishes any market profiles by Edition.

 

[goombawaho]

Now what are you going to do? Windows 7/8 now suspect - "tattling" to Microsoft
Link

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares.