Window98 SE Resources drop out of sight

[Bowhunter]

I have windows98 SE on my computer with maxed out memory of 384 megs and have cacheman running to try and keep my resources up and the machines is still sluggish. I also have a program running to check my cpu temp and that is normal, it never seems to rise. The system tell me that i'm only using about 20% of my memory. With cacheman running the windows resources go from 70 to 40%. Where are all my resources going? I went through msconfig and took out what i didn't need. Did a scandisk and defrag and the resources are still lousy. went into safe modde and took out all mutiples of hardware in device manager also. I have a Compaq 5360.

 

[Kento]

If you disable cacheman does it improve? Tell us what all is checked in msconfig? Or get Startlog.com from below and run it then copy and paste the results of just Startlog (not the stubpaths file) to your reply here so we can see it.

http://home.earthlink.net/~rmbox/Reticulated/Only_IE.html

Also, have you deleted all your temporary internet files through internet options and have you cleaned the temp folder at c:\windows\temp? Worth a shot if you haven't.

 

[Bowhunter]

Thanks for the info kento. This the startup log that i ran.I have the mscofig down to bare minimum. Don't think i can trim much more out of that. When i shut off cacheman it only improves by 6%. I know i have a few items running in my taskbar, but i figure withe total ram i have it should handle it. Would it be that windows it self doing all the damage here. Any more help would be apreciated thank you
---------- C:\WINDOWS\desktop\StartUp.Log

Start-Ups checked at 10-20-2002 6:49:05.43a
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StartUp Log for Windows 95/98 - Freeware by rmbox
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Comments:

This is a log of all the programs on your computer that
are starting automatically every time you start Windows.
Using this log can be a quick way to spot trojans.

StartUp Log (version 1.56) - Release Date 3/11/2002

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StartUp Log Index

1. HKLM Run
2. HKCU Run
3. HKLM RunOnce
4. HKCU RunOnce
5. HKLM RunServices
6. HKLM RunServicesOnce
7. WIN.INI file
8. SYSTEM.INI file
9. AUTOEXEC.BAT file
10. StartUp folder
11. All Users StartUp
12. Misc. StartUp Configurations

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The following is a list of your current Start-Ups
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1. HKLM Run - Registry

[RegPath]
"StartUp"


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"ScanRegistry"="C:\\WINDOWS\\scanregw.exe /autorun"
"TaskMonitor"="C:\\WINDOWS\\taskmon.exe"
"SystemTray"="SysTray.Exe"
"EM_EXEC"="c:\\mouse\\system\\em_exec.exe"
"Aureal A3D Interactive Audio Init"="A3dInit.exe"
"CISrvr Program"="C:\\COMPAQ\\INTERNET\\CISRVR.EXE"
"OEMCLEANUP"="c:\\windows\\OPTIONS\\oemreset.exe"
"LoadPowerProfile"="Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme"
"LoadQM"="loadqm.exe"
"AVGCtrl"="C:\\PROGRAM FILES\\AVPERSONAL\\AVGCTRL.EXE /min"
"AVSCHED32"="C:\\PROGRAM FILES\\AVPERSONAL\\AVSCHED32.EXE /min"
"Shell"="c:\\ray.exe"
"CriticalUpdate"="c:\\windows\\SYSTEM\\wucrtupd.exe -startup"


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2. HKCU Run - Registry

[RegPath]
"StartUp"


[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"MSMSGS"="\"C:\\Program Files\\Messenger\\msmsgs.exe\" /background"
"Weather"="C:\\PROGRAM FILES\\AWS\\WEATHERBUG\\WEATHER.EXE 1"
"Cacheman"="C:\\WINDOWS\\Desktop\\Program Files\\Cacheman\\Cacheman.exe"


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3. HKLM RunOnce - Registry

[RegPath]
"StartUp"


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce]


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4. HKCU RunOnce - Registry

[RegPath]
"StartUp"


[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce]


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5. HKLM RunServices - Registry

[RegPath]
"StartUp"


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices]
"Aureal A3D Interactive Audio"="sa3dsrv.exe"
"ConfigServices"="C:\\CPQS\\TOOLS\\CONFIG.EXE"
"LoadPowerProfile"="Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme"
"SchedulingAgent"="mstask.exe"
"HC Reminder"="hc.exe"
"TrueVector"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\ZONELABS\\VSMON.EXE -service"


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6. HKLM RunServicesOnce - Registry

[RegPath]
"StartUp"


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServicesOnce]


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7. WIN.INI File - (c:\windows\win.ini)

Your win.ini run/load lines should look like run= and load= exclusively.
There should be nothing to the right of the equal signs.


These are the run and load lines in your WIN.INI file

run=

load=

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8. SYSTEM.INI File - (c:\windows\system.ini)

Your system.ini shell line should look like shell=Explorer.exe exclusively.
You should only see Explorer.exe following the equal sign.


This is the shell line in your SYSTEM.INI file

shell=Explorer.exe

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9. AUTOEXEC.BAT File - (c:\autoexec.bat)

(Some trojans have been known to start from this file)


These are your program startups and set paths in your autoexec.bat file

@ECHO OFF
@REM Setup for QR, BW & Hibernation
@PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\CPQS\SAVEREST;C:\CPQS\TOOLS
@IF EXIST C:\CPQS\SAVEREST\QRSETUP.* CALL C:\CPQS\SAVEREST\QRSETUP /MFG C:
@IF EXIST C:\HIBERNAT\PHDISK*.* IF EXIST C:\HIBERNAT\NEW_HIB.* CALL C:\HIBERNAT\NEW_HIB
@PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\CPQS\SAVEREST;C:\CPQS\TOOLS;%PATH%
@IF EXIST C:\APPL.ZIP\NUL IF EXIST C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE
@PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\CPQS\SAVEREST;C:\CPQS\TOOLS
Rem TShoot: C:\PROGRA~1\NETWOR~1\MCAFEE~1\SCAN.EXE C:\ /NOEXPIRE

@IF ERRORLEVEL 1 PAUSE
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1
C:\essolo.com
REM Environment Settings For McAfee VirusScan
SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\PROGRA~1\NETWOR~1\MCAFEE~1;"C:\Program Files\Executive Software\DiskeeperWorkstation\"
CALL C:\CPQS\TOOLS\DOSPATH.BAT

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10. StartUp Folder - (c:\windows\start menu\programs\startup)

Shortcuts to any program will automatically start when placed here.


These are the shortcuts located in your StartUp folder

C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\Microsoft Find Fast.lnk
C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\Office Startup.lnk
C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\Webshots.lnk

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11. All Users Folder - (c:\windows\all users\start menu\programs\startup)

Shortcuts to any program will automatically start when placed here.


These are the shortcuts located in your All Users StartUp folder

C:\WINDOWS\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\ZoneAlarm.lnk

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12. Miscellaneous StartUp Configurations

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Registry StartUp Directories
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Should show the Start Menu StartUp and All Users StartUp directories

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[1] HKCU - Shell Folders

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders

"Startup"="C:\\WINDOWS\\Start Menu\\Programs\\StartUp"

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[2] HKCU - User Shell Folders

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders


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[3] HKLM - Shell Folders

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\Shell Folders

"Common Startup"="C:\\WINDOWS\\All Users\\Start Menu\\Programs\\StartUp"

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[4] HKLM - User Shell Folders

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\User Shell Folders


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Registry Shell Spawning
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Open Commands for Executable File Types

@="\"%1\" %*"
(.exe file - RegPath = HKCR\exefile\shell\open\command)

@="\"%1\" %*"
(.com file - RegPath = HKCR\comfile\shell\open\command)

@="\"%1\" /S"
(.scr file - RegPath = HKCR\scrfile\shell\open\command)

@="\"%1\" %*"
(.bat file - RegPath = HKCR\batfile\shell\open\command)

@="\"%1\" %*"
(.pif file - RegPath = HKCR\piffile\shell\open\command)

@="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\MSHTA.EXE \"%1\" %*"
(.hta file - RegPath = HKCR\htafile\shell\open\command)

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HKLM RunOnceEx - Registry
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceEx]


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HKU (.Default) Run - Registry
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[HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"MSMSGS"="\"C:\\Program Files\\Messenger\\msmsgs.exe\" /background"
"Weather"="C:\\PROGRAM FILES\\AWS\\WEATHERBUG\\WEATHER.EXE 1"
"Cacheman"="C:\\WINDOWS\\Desktop\\Program Files\\Cacheman\\Cacheman.exe"


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HKU (.Default) RunOnce - Registry
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[HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce]


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StubPaths - Registry (Partial Listing)
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(Please see the StubPath.txt on your desktop for complete listing)

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components


"OldStubPath"="c:\\windows\\SYSTEM\\ie4uinit.exe"
"RealStubPath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\IE4UINIT.EXE"
"StubPath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\COMMAND\\sulfnbk.exe /L"
"OldStubPath"="\"C:\\Program Files\\Outlook Express\\setup50.exe\" /APP:OE /CALLER:WIN9X /user /install"
"RealStubPath"="\"C:\\Program Files\\Outlook Express\\setup50.exe\" /APP:OE /CALLER:IE50 /user /install"
"StubPath"=""
"StubPath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\msnmgsr1.exe"
"OldStubPath"="\"C:\\Program Files\\Outlook Express\\setup50.exe\" /APP:WAB /CALLER:WIN9X /user /install"
"RealStubPath"="\"C:\\Program Files\\Outlook Express\\setup50.exe\" /APP:WAB /CALLER:IE50 /user /install"
"StubPath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\updcrl.exe -e -u C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\verisignpub1.crl"

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DOSSTART.BAT File - (c:\windows\dosstart.bat)
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@echo off

LH C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D:IDECD001 /M:12
c:\mouse\mouse.exe
c:\essolo.com

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Screen Saver Settings (Possible system.ini start-up)
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SCRNSAVE.EXE=C:\WINDOWS\WEBSHOTS.SCR

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- Supplemental Environment Information -

TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS
COMSPEC=C:\COMMAND.COM
LOG=NUL
QRCD=N:
BOTD=C:
MFG=YES
ZIPD=D:
CPQD=D:
DSHD=C:
D12=E:
EN=EN
LANG=EN
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\CPQS\SAVEREST;C:\CPQS\TOOLS;C:\PROGRA~1\NETWOR~1\MCAFEE~1;C:\PROGRAM FILES\EXECUTIVE SOFTWARE\DISKEEPERWORKSTATIONwindir=C:\WINDOWS

File - c:\windows\deletefi.ini

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[jmatt]

This is overkill I know , some information may not be relevant , but
for those that are reading this question & learning rather than
answering , they may get something out of these extra sites .

http://www.pcnineoneone.com/howto/resources1.html

Windows Resources vs. Memory

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http://windows.about.com/compute/windows/library/weekly/aa081100a.htm

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http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2000/2000-06-08.htm

More Resource Leak-Tweaks .

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http://www.aumha.org/a/resource.htm

http://www.aumha.org/a/memmgmtz.htm

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http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.htm

http://www.3feetunder.com/krick/startup/list.html

http://www.pcforrest.freeserve.co.uk/streamlining_startups.htm

http://ww2.whidbey.net/djdenham/Uncheck.htm

http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_index.htm

http://www.3dspotlight.com/tweaks/startup/start4.shtml

http://www2.whidbey.net/djdenham/Running_items.htm

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http://www.forrestandassociates.co.uk/pcforrest/resources.html

System Resources .
GDI and User Resources explained .

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Free up Conventional Memory .

http://www.geocities.com/thegorx/Windows/Help/Cmem.htm

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http://content.techweb.com/winmag/columns/explorer/2000/11.htm

http://content.techweb.com/winmag/columns/explorer/2000/12.htm

http://content.techweb.com/winmag/columns/explorer/2000/13.htm

http://content.techweb.com/winmag/columns/explorer/2000/14.htm

 

[Kento]

Well this entry is suspicious to me. Shell"="c:\\ray.exe Do you happen to know what that is? If you don't then uncheck it in msconfig.

I think you can uncheck the following to free up some more resources.

EM_EXEC --If you only use the basic buttons and the scroll wheel of your Logitech mouse then you can uncheck this. If you use the other features of the mouse's software then leave it checked. I have it unchecked on mine.

OEMCLEANUP --you can uncheck this.
LoadQM --you can uncheck this.
CriticalUpdate --you can uncheck this.
ConfigServices --you can uncheck this.
SchedulingAgent --you can uncheck this if you don't use scheduled tasks.
HC Reminder --you can uncheck this.

If you also disable Messenger and Weatherbug do things improve? I've heard those two are resource hogs but i don't use them. I see you also have Webshots. It might be using alot of resources too but i'm not sure. Try disabling it also as a test and see if things improve.

You also have shortcuts to Find Fast, Office and Webshots in your Startup folder.

C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\Microsoft Find Fast.lnk
C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\Office Startup.lnk
C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\Webshots.lnk

As a test, open the Startup folder and move the Find Fast, Webshots and Office shorcuts into another folder then restart. Do things improve without them running in the background?

 

[Bowhunter]

Thanks kento, That tip helped out a ton. Bumped up my resources up to 90%. I owe ya one. Everything seems to be working great now thank you.