Win2k Clients - Terminal Servcies Licensing...

[simon2001]

Hi all,

This is my last point of call before i phone microsoft and hand over my cash, so please help.!!!

I am running Citrix Metaframe Xpa 1.0 on a Windows 2000 Advanced Server. All of my clients are Windows 2000 Professional, yet, i am still recieving licensing problems on my 2000 Server. It states that no license server is availble to issue a license in the event log, when a client trys to connect. Why oh Why!!!

How can i tell if Terminal services is installed on a client machine, and how can i stop Terminal services interferring with the citrix? In Termninal services setup on my server, it is currently setup in Application Server Mode. IS this correct or should it be Remote Administration Mode? No-one uses MS Terminal Services to connect, we all use the Citrix 32-bit ICA Client.

Please help me!!!

 

[mjbrown]

Alright, first thing first. You still need a License Server for this functionality. You don't need to install any CAL's because all your clients are Win2K. All users connecting will receive a 'built-in' license token from the license server. In other words, you still need a Win2K server running the Terminal License Service.

Running Terminal Service on the Clients should have no ill effects on running Citrix, or at leaset I haven't heard of any.

And finally, Yes, you want the server set up for application Server mode. If you do Remote Administration, you will only be able to have 2 connections to the server I belaive. Mike Brown CCA

 

[mjbrown]

I have put together a licensing DOC for Win2K & MF XP if you would like a copy. Mike Brown CCA

 

[sandy2780]

first thing running terminal services on remote administration mode wont help u to run citrix as it citrix does ot support this part,
then try to check whether you have installed terminal services and licensing on the server.
be sure to check for the terminal services licensing services regards
sandip

 

[MISAdmin]

MJBrown's advice is solid.
Terminal Server licenses aren't handled the same under 2K as they were in a NT 4 environment. You still need to install Terminal Services on your 2K server even though you aren't using TS/RDP and want everything to be handled through ICA.

You do not need to purchase and install any TS Cals if you use W2K or XP clients, as they are built in. You'll only need TS Cals if you have Win98 or earlier clients. If you don't install TS Cals for those clients right away, you'll get a "temporary" token, but you'll need to add Cals eventually, or your temp token will expire.

 

[corkin]

MJBrown... could i get a copy of that doc?

thanks!

 

[MLandin]

Note that your Terminal Services License Server *MUST* be running on a DOMAIN CONTROLLER.

 

[MISAdmin]

It MUST? Mines not.

 

[MLandin]

Oh well I guess it CAN but it's not required. I had read in some MS literature, though, that it had to be on a DC.

 

[MISAdmin]

Wasn't trying to give you a hard time, just asking. ;-) It wouldn't surprise me if I was doing something differently than how it should be done.

I find it curious, though, as I would never make a Terminal Server or a Citrix server a Domain Controller and it wouldn't make sense to me to put the license server on another box???

Oh well....

 

[mjbrown]

terminal Server Licensing service can function normally if not on a DC. It is recommended, but what would you do if you were running the server in a workgrou. I had also at one time heard this, but later found it to be false.

The Licensing FAQ is located in the FAQ section of this forum. Click the FAQ tab at the top of this post and it is I think the 3rd posted FAQ. Mike Brown CCA

 

[MLandin]

(Stupid site! I had the following all typed in, and then the server refused connection! Had to start over...)

From the Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Deployment Planning Guide, Chapter 16 "Deploying Terminal Services", pg. 594:

"In Windows 2000 domains, the domain license server must be installed on a domain controller. In workgroups or Windows NT 4.0 domains, the domain license server can be installed on any server".

Microsoft considers a Windows 2000 domain to be a native-mode Windows 2000 domain. Mixed-mode domains are still considered NT 4.0 domains for this purpose.

So, you CAN put your license server on a member server unless you are in a native Windows 2000 domain.

Also, I would NOT configure my Terminal or Citrix server to be a domain license server, for the same reason I wouldn't put Exchange, IIS, SQL 2000, or the like on them.

 

[waba]

Does anyone know why some Citrix users are receiving a message regarding the number of days until their Terminal Services license expires? All users are on a Windows NT 4 operating system. Thanks.

 

[MISAdmin]

Waba, you mean your clients are running NT 4?

Your getting that message becasue your temporary licenses are going to expire in "x" number of days. ;-p

Look at mjbrowns advice in the beginning of this thread.

If your clients are running NT 4, I don't believe they have a built in TS CAL for 2000 server... only if you are running W2K or XP... Better buy some more licenses.