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Is it possible Windows 10 if free because the government needs it to spy on us?
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johnherman
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No. Stop it. You're imagining things.
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jimbojimbo
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You're probably right. I don't think the government would be tracking anything I do without first having probable cause and getting a search warrant.
johnherman
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And I don't think Microsoft would allow itself to be bullied by the Federal Government, even with the potential loss of hundreds of thousands of Microsoft Office licenses and their revenue stream.
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20150820 - I was informed I was wrong in some of my previous statements. I have issued a correction in a later post but also updated this one....
By offering it free for a year, they can draw in people who would not normally move to it right away. That also decreases their support life cycles for their older OSs.
And let's not forget some of the great features they have added to the OS. I am not an M$ fan by any real means. I prefer a flavor of Linux for most of my work. But this OS is quite streamlined from a developer/maintaining standpoint. A single base of code, minor form-factor code differences, newest code tech and best practices...Overall, the OS is sweet. It might even take over my Linux box in the near future. All the best features of Windows 7, with some of the good features from 8.1 Sure, we still have some crap in the OS I don't appreciate or use, but I am sure those features are useful in other form-factors and/or for persons of various skill levels.
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Robert L. Johnson III
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>You'll have to purchase something at the end of that year
Um, no. You can update from Windows 7 or Windows 8 to Windows 10 for free until July 2016. After that, you have to pay for the update. If you updated for free, you are not obliged to pay for anything after a year.
Um, no. You can update from Windows 7 or Windows 8 to Windows 10 for free until July 2016. After that, you have to pay for the update. If you updated for free, you are not obliged to pay for anything after a year.
You are correct. I had misinformation from a vendor. M$ website does show that this will be free if you upgrade before July 2016.
Everything else in my post still mostly applies.....Moving people to newer tech, decreasing support for older OSs, etc.
Thanks for correcting me.
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Everything else in my post still mostly applies.....Moving people to newer tech, decreasing support for older OSs, etc.
Thanks for correcting me.
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jimbojimbo
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Oh, Microsoft most definitely would never let themselves be bullied by the federal government. Just like they moved to higher level encryption, just like there was never a NSA backdoor, and just like there was never a flight simulator in Excel.
johnherman
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Well, looks like Microsoft wasn't content to wait for all of us to get on Windows 10 and has downloaded "spy" programs as part of updates for Windows 7 and 8. I never suspected Microsoft would do anything to my computer without my permission. Wow, I'm really really upset with them. I'd sue them except that my damages are limited to nearly nothing in the EULA.
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It seems to me that MicroSoft is in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse act. Article 2 states...
They are exceeding authorized access. I would imagine their crime gets worse when you look at them doing the same level of access to government owned computers.
[URL unfurl="true" said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act[/URL]](2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains—
(A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602[1] of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or(C) information from any protected computer;
They are exceeding authorized access. I would imagine their crime gets worse when you look at them doing the same level of access to government owned computers.
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There is a very precise definition of what a "protected computer" is. Microsoft are not in violation of that section of the Computer Fraud and Abuse act, and are not breaking the law.
That doesn't mean they are not doing stuff that you disagree with, but that's a different matter.
That doesn't mean they are not doing stuff that you disagree with, but that's a different matter.
Note: "protected computer" in the context of the CFAA has already been interpreted by one court to be "any computer connected to the internet".
I do agree that I'm not seeing how Microsoft is in violation of the CFAA. At most, Microsoft will take a P/R hit only and will probably acquiesce and make it easier to opt-out of their data collection. Maybe.
I do agree that I'm not seeing how Microsoft is in violation of the CFAA. At most, Microsoft will take a P/R hit only and will probably acquiesce and make it easier to opt-out of their data collection. Maybe.
Well, when you specifically "opt out", and then they still take information, that seems to me to be the definition of exceeding authorized access.
Also, pushing it to Windows 7 and 8 systems where I never agreed to it in the first place seems to be crossing a line. Of course I never read the EULA. Does it actually say "we can do anything to your computer or your information on your computer, now and at any time in the future"?
Also, pushing it to Windows 7 and 8 systems where I never agreed to it in the first place seems to be crossing a line. Of course I never read the EULA. Does it actually say "we can do anything to your computer or your information on your computer, now and at any time in the future"?
I love the fact that people who dislike something Microsoft have done immediately assume that this must mean Microsoft have a) done something illegal, or b) must have a EULA that allows them to do anything they like.
Neither a nor b is true.
>make it easier to opt-out of their data collection
Yes, this is the real crux of the matter.
Neither a nor b is true.
>make it easier to opt-out of their data collection
Yes, this is the real crux of the matter.
MS pushing Windows 10 to PCs even if not requested...
johnherman
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M$ response to my disabling their "junk" is to provide a message in the lower right corner of my PC that says "This copy of Windows is not Genuine". Of course, some of the "junk" that I disabled might be considered "necessary" by the Mother Ship.
MS just sux with respect to "resident" programs. There are a large number of programs that stay resident in memory even when their parent process(es) are gone, and many processes are loaded at start-up (or delayed start-up) for no good reason. While MS and their groupies might disregard this as a minor difficulty, any program that is running could potentially be used for nefarious activities by someone who can communicate with that program. Leaving unnecessary programs resident in memory for no good reason is bad. Wastes memory even if they are completely secure from outside manipulation.
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MS just sux with respect to "resident" programs. There are a large number of programs that stay resident in memory even when their parent process(es) are gone, and many processes are loaded at start-up (or delayed start-up) for no good reason. While MS and their groupies might disregard this as a minor difficulty, any program that is running could potentially be used for nefarious activities by someone who can communicate with that program. Leaving unnecessary programs resident in memory for no good reason is bad. Wastes memory even if they are completely secure from outside manipulation.
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