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[ptheriault]

This we from SQL Server magazine 2006 December edition. I thought you guys might have a good laugh.

- Paul

- If at first you don't succeed, find out if the loser gets anything.

 

[ecobb]

Huh?



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ECAR
ECAR Technologies

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[GUJUm0deL]

The Web Developer range seems to be right on par. Only flaw in this chart is that many web developers are also dB developers, dB designer/modeler, and Consultants.



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[ecobb]

Sorry, when I first view your post, there was no chart.


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[Bandenjamin]

I thought all DBA's made 250K plus

 

[philhege]

I do before NYS taxes.

Just kidding.

(Dang, I hate it when these posts slide
off the right side with no horizontal
scroll bar!)

Phil Hegedusich
Senior Programmer/Analyst
IIMAK

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Pity the insomniac dyslexic agnostic. He stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog.

 

[GUJUm0deL]

(Dang, I hate it when these posts slide
off the right side with no horizontal
scroll bar!)

I though that only happened to me! I even e-mailed David Murphy about this and never heard back.

Anyways, I never really look too much into these salary charts. I've seen many charts that claim one profession makes a tons of money on average but when you actually investigate that profession the salary is always lower then advertised. I think the chart makers take higher paying people more into their equation. I mean, no job will award you 6-figures without the necessary level of experice, and none of these charts depict prices based on experience.

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[onpnt]

Only flaw in this chart is that many web developers are also dB developers, dB designer/modeler

Am I the only one that thinks this is one of the largest failures in most IT departmental groupings today?

How many failed and horrid database designs come from the wrong person being given a task that they are not even close to being qualified for the task

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[GUJUm0deL]

In a perfect world, we'd only do the job/task that we're assigned to do, alas we don't live in a perfect world.



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[ptheriault]

I think it's safe to say that in the IT world we have to be a jack of all trades. I'm a DBA but I do a ton of Application support as well.

- Paul

- If at first you don't succeed, find out if the loser gets anything.

 

[GUJUm0deL]

I'm a DBA but I do a ton of Application support as well.

The IT world is the only profession where we NEED to know (or the very least have basic knowledge/understanding) of various parts of an application/system.


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[SF0751]

The IT world is the only profession where we NEED to know (or the very least have basic knowledge/understanding) of various parts of an application/system.

Really? What about:

Medical Doctors
Nurses
Auto Mechanics
Airplane Pilots

.... just to name a few?


Susan
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls, and looks like work." - Thomas A. Edison

 

[SQLSister]

onpnt, I agree. A good front end programmer is not remotely qualified to design an efficient,effective back end. (Or vice versa but that seems to be more rarely expected in my experience). It is also my experience that most companies think a good back end person is unneeded (at least until they grow so large that the need becomes obvious to all in slooooooooooooow performance). Of course at the point they realize this, salvaging the existing system is almost impossible.

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[philhege]

The economic reality, in our case anyway, is that we can't
afford to staff the IT department with specialists. We
have four people in software, and two in tech support.
There's no money to hire a DBA, a business analyst, a
systems analyst, programming teams, an Exchange
administrator, a network analyst, a help desk technician,
etc. etc. We do with what we have. This is a small shop
in a SMB. I wager that other enterprises our size operate
similarly.

My $.02

 

[GUJUm0deL]

SF0751,

Medical Doctors
Nurses
Auto Mechanics
Airplane Pilots

Realy? Ask a Medical Doctor/nurse if they know anything about dental surgery or podiatry. Ask a Auto machanic if they can help fixing a jet propulsion engine or an Airplane Pilot if they know how to move a steam powered trains...just to name a few...

I doubt the answers are anything more then 'you need consult a professional in that area' (or something to that effect).

Now ask an (experienced) web developer if they can look at a ERM or a dB model and know the 1:1 or 1:many relationships and can code accordingly. Or ask an (experienced) web developer to look at dB logs to determine why some queries are performing slower then others...

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[LNBruno]

I'm more inclinded to agree with Susan's point. IT has become, is, and continues to be a field with ever-increasingly specialized fields, just as, to pick one and only one, the medical profession which has gone from the jack-of-all-trades with the barber pole out front to the highly specialized niches we have today. I see IT headed down that same path.

I know plenty of (experienced) web developers who could look at an ERM or dB model and not know the difference between that and something from Mapquest. And I know even more who have no idea that dB logs even exist.

I do know of a bunch who know only that when they call a stored procedure and it returns the data they expected, they go off on their merry way plugging it into their UIs. Not a clue what it took to get it (linked how many databases? joined how many tables? indexes where needed? triggers for other processes?)

That, IMHO, is why we have development teams. Or, in the immortal words of my mentor:

It takes a village to make an idiot.

< M!ke >
Acupuncture Development: a jab well done.

 

[kHz]

SF0751's statement is closer to being true.

You are making yourself too important with your statement, GUJ.

 

[RodKnowlton]

I wouldn't put much faith in that chart.

The high frequency of certain percentages and their multiples in each job category point toward a very low number of respondents.

For instance, the network/systems administrator/architect category is most likely the result of 28 respondents identifying themselves thusly and six of them failing to provide a salary figure (7.1%:2/28, 10.7%:3/28, etc). Multiples of these figures (eg 56/12) could produce the same percentages, but the distribution would be less likely to be so even.

- Rod

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[monksnake]

onpnt, I agree. A good front end programmer is not remotely qualified to design an efficient,effective back end.

In some cases, the front end programmer is more qualified to work on the back end than the person hired to work on the back end.

It shouldn't be like that, but sometimes that how it is.

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[AlexCuse]

Hey, I'm not remotely qualified to work on anything, but I have to work on everything!

It shouldn't be like that, but sometimes that how it is.

SIGH...


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