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Vista or XP
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firewolfrl
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I like vista ultimate 64
I use XP in a virtual environment
I use XP in a virtual environment
XP no question, Vista is stupid and slow. try's to hard and complicates the issue. Although that being said it may hang around a long time so learning how to configure it to make it easier to manage is the first step.
Hopefully it dies a death like Millennium Edition [remember that OS between 98 and 2000, most people wont].
Hopefully it dies a death like Millennium Edition [remember that OS between 98 and 2000, most people wont].
I also like Vista. sure, it has a bit of a learning curve, but it's not that bad. I find it as fast as XP (if not a bit faster). I use both XP and Vista. has better built in security, i find it stable (but then again I find XP to be stable). Have very few issues with it, and runs everything but older DOS/Win95 games.
A difficult decision!
I would say that you should check that all your hardware and software is going run under Vista. If you are happy that your hardware is really fast, then go for Vista.
If your hardware is a little dated (say it is a top end P4 rather than a newer dual or quad core) then stick with XP for a while longer as it is not so demanding. But expect some initial frustrations with Vista: it took me months before I finally got it flying.
Regards: tf1
I would say that you should check that all your hardware and software is going run under Vista. If you are happy that your hardware is really fast, then go for Vista.
If your hardware is a little dated (say it is a top end P4 rather than a newer dual or quad core) then stick with XP for a while longer as it is not so demanding. But expect some initial frustrations with Vista: it took me months before I finally got it flying.
Regards: tf1
At work I use Linux and XP... most of the time though I am using XP for everyday work...
at home I got XP (32 and 64bit), Vista (64bit), Linux, and AmigaOS (UAE - dated but I just love the games on it)... and to tell the truth I use mostly XP and AmigaOS...
Ben
"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."
at home I got XP (32 and 64bit), Vista (64bit), Linux, and AmigaOS (UAE - dated but I just love the games on it)... and to tell the truth I use mostly XP and AmigaOS...
Ben
"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."
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I would say that you should check that all your hardware and software is going run under Vista. If you are happy that your hardware is really fast, then go for Vista.
Agree, the thing i have some softwares (including disk management, backup) those aren't compatible with Vista...
(have to spend a little on upgrades)
On the other hand i like it's design...
Agree, the thing i have some softwares (including disk management, backup) those aren't compatible with Vista...
(have to spend a little on upgrades)
On the other hand i like it's design...
LeeMcCauslin
MIS
I'm running Vista Business on a 3ghz P4 with 1.25 gigs of ram (an old IBM Thinkcentre). I even did the most heinous install of all - an upgrade from XP instead of a clean install. I have had very few problems that weren't fixed within a few weeks of install by updating drivers. I run full Aero and a few widgets in the sidebar. The only upgrade I made prior to installation was I bought a cheap geforce 8600 video card. I get a 4.0 Vista experience index and I don't run any noticeably slower than I did with XP. I know 4 ain't smoking like some of you fancy guys with your quad cores and SLI video but it's good enough for me.
I'm getting more ram soon though - it's cheap and the boss is paying...
I love my Vista.
I'm getting more ram soon though - it's cheap and the boss is paying...
I love my Vista.
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Santei,
You might be better off in starting a new thread to concentrate on your particular problem and solution rather than tacking it on the end of this unrelated thread.
Windows Update Troubleshooter
Microsoft Support is free for Windows Updates related problems so that may be a good place to try too?
It is not generally recommended to turn off updates but have a look at Control Panel /Windows Updates/ Change settings
You might be better off in starting a new thread to concentrate on your particular problem and solution rather than tacking it on the end of this unrelated thread.
Windows Update Troubleshooter
Microsoft Support is free for Windows Updates related problems so that may be a good place to try too?
It is not generally recommended to turn off updates but have a look at Control Panel /Windows Updates/ Change settings
Although running vista as need to support it, wish I wasn't. Am envious of people who have vista just working ok. for me, lots of compatibility issues, apps stopping working, slowness, network not connecting (reboot sorts it - but who wants to have to reboot all the time).
Have installed XP on this machine too (where I am now) - and everything just seems to work so much better. Its also a confidence thing of course - I've had so many problems with vista, I expect more.
and on that note - I also had some teething problems when I moved from 2k to xp - but they went away pretty quickly. I've been running vista over a year now, and still have problems. SP1 does seem to have made some small improvement.
Also backed up by customers ('I want to throw the damn machine out the window' being a fairly common response) - and only one customer has opted for vista on a new pc build (and that because sister has it - and will provide 'support' - easier on same o/s).
I know this question is perennial with windows versions - but I think the reaction this time should give pause to bringing out yet another version of windows in the near future (which has been mooted by some). MS made a mistake (IMO) with win9x/ME - they could easily have provided an NT based system suitable for home use. XP was eventually that system - which worked for most people. Vista doesn't give ordinary (home) users any tangible benefit (over XP), but it can give them a lot of grief. Business users will in the main stay with what works for them - it just costs money to upgrade & gives little/no benefit. Its about time we saw a bit of maturity in o/s - it should be perfectly possible to add new features to existing o/s as and when - which keeps most users happy - rather than the 'churning' exercise of a new o/s (new hardware & apps required & learn new interface - because they always change it). However, human behaviour being what it is, I expect MS will try to keep churning - but suspect next windows may be less successful than vista.
Have installed XP on this machine too (where I am now) - and everything just seems to work so much better. Its also a confidence thing of course - I've had so many problems with vista, I expect more.
and on that note - I also had some teething problems when I moved from 2k to xp - but they went away pretty quickly. I've been running vista over a year now, and still have problems. SP1 does seem to have made some small improvement.
Also backed up by customers ('I want to throw the damn machine out the window' being a fairly common response) - and only one customer has opted for vista on a new pc build (and that because sister has it - and will provide 'support' - easier on same o/s).
I know this question is perennial with windows versions - but I think the reaction this time should give pause to bringing out yet another version of windows in the near future (which has been mooted by some). MS made a mistake (IMO) with win9x/ME - they could easily have provided an NT based system suitable for home use. XP was eventually that system - which worked for most people. Vista doesn't give ordinary (home) users any tangible benefit (over XP), but it can give them a lot of grief. Business users will in the main stay with what works for them - it just costs money to upgrade & gives little/no benefit. Its about time we saw a bit of maturity in o/s - it should be perfectly possible to add new features to existing o/s as and when - which keeps most users happy - rather than the 'churning' exercise of a new o/s (new hardware & apps required & learn new interface - because they always change it). However, human behaviour being what it is, I expect MS will try to keep churning - but suspect next windows may be less successful than vista.
firewolfrl
Technical User
wolluf,
you give lots of advice and I do understand your issues. most of the issues I have seen in vista that has problems in the machine are upgraded machines. Vista just does not like to be upgraded and the environment prefers the clean install. now as for the hardware. I only put Vista in new hardware that has my minimum of 2 gig of ram in the machine, then secondary issues I have seen is ram stability. Voltages to the ram are defaulted low on most machines and some of the new ram requires higher voltages to be stable. My biggest beef is that ram now comes in so many flavors of voltage requirements that you have to really research to make sure the you have the correct voltage to the ram and the northbridge.
Just to note, you cannot trust The Bios to set the ram correct. More often then not it will set it incorrect and require manual configuration to create stability. I have seen this true with many MB and Ram manufacture brands.
Some of the Bios auto settings for the ram really make some machines somewhat unstable. sometimes minor, sometimes major.
Because of ram issues Vista really can take the brunt of issues that are more hardware related. XP seems to be more forgiving with ram voltage compatibility issues. I have made many new vista machines and found the stability to be pretty good when you have all the settings correct. My costumers also like that fact that there is a virtual XP that I load so if the software they run have issues with vista then they can run XP and run their apps
So far even with the new SP1 everything is running smooth and nice. Maybe I am doing too good of a job because I do not have to do as many service calls....lol
you give lots of advice and I do understand your issues. most of the issues I have seen in vista that has problems in the machine are upgraded machines. Vista just does not like to be upgraded and the environment prefers the clean install. now as for the hardware. I only put Vista in new hardware that has my minimum of 2 gig of ram in the machine, then secondary issues I have seen is ram stability. Voltages to the ram are defaulted low on most machines and some of the new ram requires higher voltages to be stable. My biggest beef is that ram now comes in so many flavors of voltage requirements that you have to really research to make sure the you have the correct voltage to the ram and the northbridge.
Just to note, you cannot trust The Bios to set the ram correct. More often then not it will set it incorrect and require manual configuration to create stability. I have seen this true with many MB and Ram manufacture brands.
Some of the Bios auto settings for the ram really make some machines somewhat unstable. sometimes minor, sometimes major.
Because of ram issues Vista really can take the brunt of issues that are more hardware related. XP seems to be more forgiving with ram voltage compatibility issues. I have made many new vista machines and found the stability to be pretty good when you have all the settings correct. My costumers also like that fact that there is a virtual XP that I load so if the software they run have issues with vista then they can run XP and run their apps
So far even with the new SP1 everything is running smooth and nice. Maybe I am doing too good of a job because I do not have to do as many service calls....lol
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I'm running Xp at work and Vista at home.
I feel like i'm in paradise when i'm in office.
problems met at home:
Rebooting (this might be Hardware problem as well,since haven't solved yet), can't install updates, unlike in XP you need to create system restore checkpoint, msconfig's autoboot didn't work properly, er... there was something else, but don't remember.
I feel like i'm in paradise when i'm in office.
problems met at home:
Rebooting (this might be Hardware problem as well,since haven't solved yet), can't install updates, unlike in XP you need to create system restore checkpoint, msconfig's autoboot didn't work properly, er... there was something else, but don't remember.
SimonDavies
MIS
I have a machine at home that's running a Q6600 with 4gb Crucial Ram as well as two 8800GTX OC2's in it, this time last year I spent more time in XP than Vista (I was an early adopter with my Technet subscription) but for the last 9 months or so I haven't had any issues what so ever with Vista. I recently upgraded to SP1 without issue as well. I should add that this is Ultimate64.
I also have a Lenovo laptop running Vista Business without issue as well.
For me I find Vista to be as stable and fast as XP and as such it stays in my machine more often than not (I have an XP hdd sitting in the box as well).
Sure there are one or two apps\games (mainly games tbh) that don't work right under Vista (GTR2 - Patch won't allow me to run the game, reinstall the game without the patch and it works fine).
SimonD.
The real world is not about exam scores, it's about ability.
I also have a Lenovo laptop running Vista Business without issue as well.
For me I find Vista to be as stable and fast as XP and as such it stays in my machine more often than not (I have an XP hdd sitting in the box as well).
Sure there are one or two apps\games (mainly games tbh) that don't work right under Vista (GTR2 - Patch won't allow me to run the game, reinstall the game without the patch and it works fine).
SimonD.
The real world is not about exam scores, it's about ability.
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