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Upgrade Win 98 to Win ME
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Thank for the info, I didn't realize they're different OSs. And I'll keep my eyes peeled for doom's day! (hahahehe). [sig]<p> <br><a href=mailto: > </a><br><a href= > </a><br>You can pick your friends and you can pick your teeth and you can pick your toes, just don't pick you nose.[/sig]
Karl Blessing
Programmer
how can you be so sure the "Bugs" will be fixed, considering the possibilty it introduces, new bugs, ot keeps the old one, but oh well, we all end up making the upgrade sooner or later. It is my opinion that WinME is simply a Win98TE (Third Edition) , I've been running it for about 3 days now, at first the only problem I've encountered was that I could not goto windowsupdate.microsoft.com as the computer would lock up, when I clicked "Product Updates" , after configuring my ZoneAlarm Pro , to allow Autoupdater to work by pathname only(apparently it changes it's own checksum or something, which causes my firewall to always ask if I Want it to access the net) anyways after autoupdate updated a few things, things like that Windowsupdate.micr.... were fixed, and didnt have a prob.
my WinME was an OEM version, through MSDN. I dont feel it's worth to pay 50 to 100$ for it for these reasons
1) 80% of the "New" features , are freebies that can be downloaded for Win9x
2) No Performance increase over 98 whatsoever
3) On the releases on the 15th dos prompt will not be seen on WinME(cept maybe if you ran command.com from the run dialog) and you cannot reboot into dos mode(could probally do F8 before starting windows)
4) The Autoupdater feature is nice except it'll randomly check, and even interupt your game or some app like that.
5) Only minor visual tweaks to make it seem more like Win2k
6) No Non-Microsoft Networking protocals/clients will be able to run on WinME
7) System recovery is nice for a family that might ruin something, but is it really worth 100$ (since this is one of the only new non-free feature)
8) you will see really no difference between WinME and 98 , aside from the tiny visual tweaks I mentioned, so getting "very excited" would be the wrong words.
That's my 2 Cents. I've followed WinME when it was in beta , also followed Win2k to it's release data, Win2k was a nice step, WinME is just taking old code , brushing it off, and selling it for something new.
Now I'm sure they will claim there is alot of things under the hood, but I doubt it since there were no performance changes at all, in several reviews. [sig]<p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.com>kb244@kb244.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>
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my WinME was an OEM version, through MSDN. I dont feel it's worth to pay 50 to 100$ for it for these reasons
1) 80% of the "New" features , are freebies that can be downloaded for Win9x
2) No Performance increase over 98 whatsoever
3) On the releases on the 15th dos prompt will not be seen on WinME(cept maybe if you ran command.com from the run dialog) and you cannot reboot into dos mode(could probally do F8 before starting windows)
4) The Autoupdater feature is nice except it'll randomly check, and even interupt your game or some app like that.
5) Only minor visual tweaks to make it seem more like Win2k
6) No Non-Microsoft Networking protocals/clients will be able to run on WinME
7) System recovery is nice for a family that might ruin something, but is it really worth 100$ (since this is one of the only new non-free feature)
8) you will see really no difference between WinME and 98 , aside from the tiny visual tweaks I mentioned, so getting "very excited" would be the wrong words.
That's my 2 Cents. I've followed WinME when it was in beta , also followed Win2k to it's release data, Win2k was a nice step, WinME is just taking old code , brushing it off, and selling it for something new.
Now I'm sure they will claim there is alot of things under the hood, but I doubt it since there were no performance changes at all, in several reviews. [sig]<p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.com>kb244@kb244.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>
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So in Win ME, how the heck are you supposed to run all the network tools like ping, tracert and netstat? That O/S doesn't sound to me like it is good from a troubleshooting perspective. If that is the case that is one more nudge in the direction of Linux..... [sig]<p>Troy Williams B.Eng.<br><a href=mailto:fenris@hotmail.com>fenris@hotmail.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br> [/sig]
Karl Blessing
Programmer
fenris, it turns out Dos is still there, just microsoft is "weening" you away from it by not having a "Dos Prompt" Icon anywhere on the system, or to reboot into dos mode, but if they are "wheening" away, I assume they removed all the dos based programs such as ping, and such.
oh also this might be beneficial for some still debating to upgrade or not, this came from another review site Radeonic.
(Btw "Whistler" is the codename to Win2001)
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Windows 95 or earlier users...... YES it's worth the upgrade
Windows 98/98SE users with a stable system .....No, don't bother, wait for Whistler
Windows 98/98SE users with unstable systems.......Yes upgrade, stability is better (slightly)
Gamers looking for better performance....No, the gains are negligable
Buying a system from new.....Yes, specify ME for your system
Audio/Video buffs............No, rely on the packages you have currently
Webmasters and content creators............No, there are no gains to be had
Business users.............No, use Windows 2000
Computer novices..........Yes, the help/protection features are worthwhile
Money to burn .........Why not!
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Well I hope that helps some people decide, I personally am ok with it, since I didnt have to shell out 50$(upgrade) or 100$(full) for it.
oh also keep in mind, the "System Recover" is more like a Quick Backup, restoring doesnt me it'll just fix your files, but anything you installed after that "Restore Point" wont work anymore when you restore it(kinda like making an image at so and so time, restoring it, which overwrites your registry) [sig]<p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.com>kb244@kb244.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>
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oh also this might be beneficial for some still debating to upgrade or not, this came from another review site Radeonic.
(Btw "Whistler" is the codename to Win2001)
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Windows 95 or earlier users...... YES it's worth the upgrade
Windows 98/98SE users with a stable system .....No, don't bother, wait for Whistler
Windows 98/98SE users with unstable systems.......Yes upgrade, stability is better (slightly)
Gamers looking for better performance....No, the gains are negligable
Buying a system from new.....Yes, specify ME for your system
Audio/Video buffs............No, rely on the packages you have currently
Webmasters and content creators............No, there are no gains to be had
Business users.............No, use Windows 2000
Computer novices..........Yes, the help/protection features are worthwhile
Money to burn .........Why not!
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Well I hope that helps some people decide, I personally am ok with it, since I didnt have to shell out 50$(upgrade) or 100$(full) for it.
oh also keep in mind, the "System Recover" is more like a Quick Backup, restoring doesnt me it'll just fix your files, but anything you installed after that "Restore Point" wont work anymore when you restore it(kinda like making an image at so and so time, restoring it, which overwrites your registry) [sig]<p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.com>kb244@kb244.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>
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An article on Wired News about ME dated Sept 14 says:
"One outstanding application" (the system recovery app named
"PC health"
"does not compensate for the system crashes and slow performance exhibited on our test machines." [sig][/sig]
"One outstanding application" (the system recovery app named
"PC health"
"does not compensate for the system crashes and slow performance exhibited on our test machines." [sig][/sig]i am a owner of a windowsME oem too.
i installed on a clean system .
First machine= atholon 750,128pc133,10g ATA66,V770-tnt2,sndblstrLive,56k modem and a eithernet card for home network.
Second machine= Celeron 300A,128pc100,s3 virge agp,yamahasnd,and eithernet.
It seems to be a good os so far. i have set them both up with a clean install and the internet sharing allows me to play online games with no lag.
unlike the win 98se i had.
it crashed alot when both machines would try to connect to the same game server.
ME lowered my ping to some servers by about 20% and increased performance on the celeron.
the atholon is about the same .
Wel this is just a post to say , SO FAR SO GOOD.
i still have my 20g drive with 98se on it just in case.
ehehehe
P.S.
ALWAYS BACKUP YO STUFF
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i installed on a clean system .
First machine= atholon 750,128pc133,10g ATA66,V770-tnt2,sndblstrLive,56k modem and a eithernet card for home network.
Second machine= Celeron 300A,128pc100,s3 virge agp,yamahasnd,and eithernet.
It seems to be a good os so far. i have set them both up with a clean install and the internet sharing allows me to play online games with no lag.
unlike the win 98se i had.
it crashed alot when both machines would try to connect to the same game server.
ME lowered my ping to some servers by about 20% and increased performance on the celeron.
the atholon is about the same .
Wel this is just a post to say , SO FAR SO GOOD.
i still have my 20g drive with 98se on it just in case.
ehehehe
P.S.
ALWAYS BACKUP YO STUFF
[sig][/sig]
Windows ME did come out in full version but it wasn't available to the public until a few days ago, or maybe it was today, I dunno. All I know is that my friend knows a friend who knows a friend who works for a company (not Microsoft) that is testing win ME. I saw the CD with my eyes and helped install it. It seemed not good. As for the fact that you are unable to upgrade with the full version CD, I have to ask, what is with that. Microsoft should be gratefull that you pay more for the full version when all you really needed was the upgrade (we had the same problem from 95 to 98 - we burned the important system files and then deleted them from the hard drive, and it still didn't work). My advice based on my friend's computer's performance is not to do it. Microsoft will fix some of the bugs soon, and the others will be forgotten and insignificant. They will probably come out with a win ME second edition.
As for win 2000, the word on the street is that they have a patch on the microsoft site so that now those direct X games you wanna play will work (half-life, deus ex, Unreal Tournament). That is what I've heard, but I haven't looked into it as I don't use 2000. I think that 98 is your best bet for now though. Second Edition works very nicely for me, it seems to have fewer crashes and faster performance on my inferior hard drive.
Now I feel better. [sig][/sig]
As for win 2000, the word on the street is that they have a patch on the microsoft site so that now those direct X games you wanna play will work (half-life, deus ex, Unreal Tournament). That is what I've heard, but I haven't looked into it as I don't use 2000. I think that 98 is your best bet for now though. Second Edition works very nicely for me, it seems to have fewer crashes and faster performance on my inferior hard drive.
Now I feel better. [sig][/sig]
Hello.
Me and my mate have both installed windows ME on our systems, and both (after about 5 restarts) get kernel32 page fault errors when starting internet explorer :/
Both our systems run fine otherwise, but IE is one of the things I use the most (can't stand netscape either).
Anyone made a bugfix for this yet?
microsoft seem to slack to make their own..
Me and my mate have both installed windows ME on our systems, and both (after about 5 restarts) get kernel32 page fault errors when starting internet explorer :/
Both our systems run fine otherwise, but IE is one of the things I use the most (can't stand netscape either).
Anyone made a bugfix for this yet?
microsoft seem to slack to make their own..
i have found a bug like that too.
when i id the upgrade to the new version of IE 5.5.4134.600.
the ME version is 5.5.4134.0100.
but when i didnt upgrade it worked.
then the windows media p;ayer is starting to mess up.but i dont use it that often.(so no biggy to me.)
if you have nortons system works,Dont bother installing it.
the antivirus and utilities doesnt install properly.
but you can still use the crashgaurd and the cleansweep.So it isnt a complete lost cause.
there are acouple updates for WinME.
i have one question though(hopefully someone knows )
Why is there 3 kernal32.dll runnin in tasks?
does ME need the 3 Kernal32.dll or can i redue it so it runs on one?
well let me mess with it somemore and i can hopefully post again tonight.
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when i id the upgrade to the new version of IE 5.5.4134.600.
the ME version is 5.5.4134.0100.
but when i didnt upgrade it worked.
then the windows media p;ayer is starting to mess up.but i dont use it that often.(so no biggy to me.)
if you have nortons system works,Dont bother installing it.
the antivirus and utilities doesnt install properly.
but you can still use the crashgaurd and the cleansweep.So it isnt a complete lost cause.
there are acouple updates for WinME.
i have one question though(hopefully someone knows )
Why is there 3 kernal32.dll runnin in tasks?
does ME need the 3 Kernal32.dll or can i redue it so it runs on one?
well let me mess with it somemore and i can hopefully post again tonight.
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Well heres an update on the ME test.
So far the windows Media player is causing my system to reboot when i use it.
I am unable to copy music or listen to a radio station on the web.
i get to the point of 2 or 3 words then my sytem reboots.
I dont know yet what is makin this happen but i am workin on it.
So far i have done a new install of the media player and it didnt work.
now i am goin to reinstall ME. Hopefully it is as easy as 98 and just replace the operating system.
but i will post when i get it worked out
Microsoft needs to do some Homework on this matter and post them somewhere.
I cant seem to find any online support for ME yet
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So far the windows Media player is causing my system to reboot when i use it.
I am unable to copy music or listen to a radio station on the web.
i get to the point of 2 or 3 words then my sytem reboots.
I dont know yet what is makin this happen but i am workin on it.
So far i have done a new install of the media player and it didnt work.
now i am goin to reinstall ME. Hopefully it is as easy as 98 and just replace the operating system.
but i will post when i get it worked out
Microsoft needs to do some Homework on this matter and post them somewhere.
I cant seem to find any online support for ME yet
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Karl Blessing
Programmer
some other problems were that you couldnt run, play, install, uninstall RealPlayer 7 without it locking up, and quite a few other things lead to fustration, only 3days with it, and I'm back on Win98SE. [sig]<p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.com>kb244@kb244.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>
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