UPGRADE PIMS, NEC2000IPS 2

[phdr]

I have an NEC2000IPS Client with One Pim, VM, T1 & 8DLC's.
Very Simple, Very straight forward. 3 digit EXTs

They have run out of Ports... to add Phones.

I picked up a 2 PIM switch....as I just need the second chassis,PWR and the MP card (expanded/licensed)
Seems I got a "Remote" system setup. It had IPLA cards.
MP24-B, 4 Digit EXT's

Couple of things.
First, I can't get into it VIA Matworx, LAN port on MP card. Do you have to go in via the LAN port on the M632 daughter board/IPLA Card?

I guess that is all moot if I can't Reprogram it as needed.
Can this system be reprogrammed as a:
TWO "Pim, VM, T1 & 8DLC's...Very Simple, straight forward"
like the existing system? Remove IPLA's etc
I didn't realize, at first, what the system was. While testing, a phone in the first PIM, say ext4155, LEN 00045, I couldn't find in cmd 14. There were 100's and 100's of other Ext's and virtuals. I've never done a multi site NEC2000.

So can I manually reprogram this? or is it forever licensed as
a "remote" (if that)
If OK, is it best to erase all previous data? without loosing license?
Can I Load the existing client program back on this system?
(3 digit ext. vs 4)
Seemed so simple when they asked.

We're not NEC dealers

 

[OzzieGeorge]

I believe all IPS systems are sold with the ability to run two pims! However that may not be the case in your part of the world! If it is, as simple solution is shift the second pin of your second hand system on to the existing system!

 

[belevedere]

Nope, it's got to be licensed for 2 PIMS. Check out CMD F88>01 to see how many PIMS your CPU is licensed for. You can scroll through CMD F88 to see what else you may be licensed for. If it is 2, then just add the second PIM, but you will need a BUS cable to connect the two PIMs. The remote system most likely does not have one. As for the CPU in the remote system, all of the remote system licensing is in the main system, so you probably cannot do much with it.

 

[OzzieGeorge]

Belvedere

So you are saying NEC sold systems with only a single Pim licensed in America? I believe that in Australia the minimum was a 2 Pim license!

Nb just noted a typo in my last post where it says Pin, it should read Pim!

 

[belevedere]

It comes down to what software level and what sales package they offered at the time. You really cannot know until you check the command.

 

[OzzieGeorge]

Agreed. It's just that I am used to 2 pim being virtually standard!

 

[phdr]

This is a client who moved into a building with the 2000 existing. We have squeezed out every port. (Gone to all 8 port cards, replaced unused card with 8DLC's etc)

Strange, F88:01 said, PIM :0000 NEW SYSTEM, didn't list a number
F88:01 said, PIM :0001 Existing system
But CMD F88:10 said, TDM ports :0064 (existing)
and F88:10 said, TDM ports :0128 newer CP24-B

CMD F88 NEW Card Im testing (remote switch?)
....all ZEROS except
CMD F88; 01; PIM; 0000
09; cs; 0002
10; TDM Ports; 128
12; ip ports; 24
20; PS; 256

So it sounds like Im screwed, since I sold an inexpensive upgrade but bought a remote 2000 switch. Find Another
Tell me......the Card may be fine, right? just the inputed license registration, program etc? Say if I had a bad card, but good Backups, the card is useable (sellable)??

ANYONE know about older cards::: I 1st tried a 2 PIM system with a CP-24 A card. Really acted wierd.
Should I be able to Dump the client back up onto this "A" card?
Should I erase anything? first.
64 port program on a licensed 128 port card. Works?
I am always worried about losing the "license" in a dump or erase.

Or in the end, should I just CAT program the CP24 A like the clients. (CP24-B)
I can easily get into Matworx on site for the Save/Load/Verify.

I just wanna add some 8DLC's
I have chassis, power, cards, cords, etc. that's not the problem.

 

[OzzieGeorge]

We are asking what F88 de 01 de returns on the existing system! If that is capable of 2 pims then the expansion pim on the second hand "remote" pim would be useable on that system!

 

[belevedere]

The license registration IVR number will not get erased on a B or C load. It will remain there. It is always a good idea to write it down anyway.
CMD F83>0>

 

[phdr]

Thank you belevedere

I suspected the use a B or C would be best for me. B load especially.
However, the more I read, the more confused/leery I become.

IMAGINE:
I, non NEC dealer (lil guy), gets new client to service NEC 2000 IPS, They got when they moved in building. Real vanilla, VM 8DLC's, CP-24B, a TI....singlr PIM
I add DLC's till now PIM is full. They need more Stations.

I'd heard about Licensing.....so Bought a 2PIM 2000ips of ebay. Seemed to work perfect.(well the VM in the first slot crowbarred the system, remove card, system fires right up.)
Really wanted to just slap 2nd PIM in, cable together, manually program it.
What I did:
Back up and save dump, sent file and MP card (ebay sys: CP 24 A hmmmm "A") to buddy who works on tons of NEC. He read my program and "scripted" it onto the new card. Now he MOC's me
Got it back and it acted really weird. I was comparing station program.
A few Extensions appeared in both PIMS, double LENS. could not fix. CM 14 and 10 acted weird. Really seemed like the CP24A card didn't like CM14. I may have tried to dump the client program on the new card, I am totally hosed now, WRONG Lens ext#, Button program wrong and lost from what my buddy did. The dump seemed to only load 1/2 then freeze.

Bought another 2PIM from ebay.
I had already quoted the expansion, I stand by my word, and am now burning cash and daylight. TURNED OUT TO BE A REMOTE SITE !! did have CP24B card
.... worthless, Unless I used it's CP24B card and my 2pim License, CP24A card,
CMD F83>0> And reload.

All this is to say, ask,
Should I be able to save/reload/verify client info/all programming on a new-different card? Without FD floppies etc etc, ??
No? If I must start from scratch, It SEEMED a B Load would at at least be faster?
.......go after hours, plug my Card in their Cabinet, Add second PIM (with its 8DLC;s) plug in Com Cable PIM 00 to 01, do B load so system loads up and SEES all cards (VM, 8dlc cards T1. 2nd PIIM)
Then manually add station programming etc....the cards would be in the right spot!

Will that work? DO I gain much from C versus B loads?

My understanding is the B load will recognize the cards, not the C load.
seemingly a long post for a straightforward situation.

Imagine walking in the room with a CP24B card in your hand....what would you do?

Turning and Running is not an option
lol

 

[neax]

In the U.S., on any CP-24 card, the "B" load clears out all the programming. If a "C" load is done it will auto program all the slotted analog trunks cards, analog station cards and Dterm station cards. But, if your software is one PIM (64 ports), only the firts PIM will be programmed.

To clarify, what do you have in Command F88-01 and F88-10?

 

[OzzieGeorge]

We also need this info for each of the CP cards you have so we can best judge which will best serve your purpose!

 

[phdr]

YeeeHawww
I'm getting somewhere.
As you can see by the dates....I'm stringing this out. I had replaced some cards (IP, analogue Sta etc) with 8DLC and bought some time......Next Add I'll need more D-terms.

So.....I was Completely off on the B vs C load.
Tek-Tips Rocks, Thanks guys.

So your questions:
Existing 2000, F88-01 1 PIM (as I remember) f88-10 I don't know.
I could find out next week but, Pretty sure it needs the new software.
1st: CP24-A, F88-01 :002 F88-10 :064 ... ... 3 DIGIT Answer
Came out of 2 PIM switch, I have both PIM's so I "know"
2nd: CP24-B, (A Remote Switch) F88-01 :0000 F88-10 :0000 .... 4 DIGIT answer
also Came out of 2 PIM switch, I have both PIM's so I "know"
Hmmmm while programming
On a DTR 16D, the 1st card displays Program on one line, the 2nd card breaks info into
two lines of LCD screen. Hard to read

Would/Could I put the A card license on the B card? Then do a C load, with expanded Hardware in place.
Would I just keep the A card and do the C (or B) Load

As Ozzie says, you might be able to let me know whats best.
As NEAX says:
"But, if your software is one PIM (64 ports), only the firts PIM will be programmed."
Taking that further (in this old mind) What ever card I choose, Would/Could (?)
I take the Customer Data (1 PIM) and load on Card 1 or 2, "only the first PIM will be programmed." WILL the 2nd PIM be OK and just Manually programmed? Or would the client data, 1 PIM,
mess up or stop me from programming the second PIM? unknowable?
That may be all theoretical as how many times has a tech run across this? Few I think

NEAX stated:
"all the slotted analog trunks cards, analog station cards and Dterm station cards"
So VM card, T1 card won't show?
Moot point if Client data loads.

Is typing in a New License as easy as typing it in?
I have some software FD etc. from the 1st older 2000 spare I bought.
Could it have been upgraded and does that impact anything I'm doing?
LP/512 Upgrade 1920 R2
Stock No. 150501 (dated 2000)

A System Software Update (FD)
Stock No. 150353 (dated 1996)
With a paper about NEC2000 IVS
Non serialized disk....for all systems?

to much info??
should I just give singular straight answers?
I hate it when a client incessantly chimes in

 

[neax]

Your answer of "1st: CP24-A, F88-01 :002 F88-10 :064 ... ... 3 DIGIT Answer" seems odd to me. On my CPU, all answers are :XXXX meaning a four digit answer. And, if F88-01 were 0002 then F88-10 would show :0128 meaning 128 ports. Two PIM's equals 128 ports. One PIM is 64 ports, 3 PIM's is 192 ports, 4 PIM's is 256 ports and so on. Please verify F88-01 and F88-10 again for me. But, if you do see F88-01 as 0002 and F88-10 as 0064, then you only have software where only one PIM will work. If F88-10 shows :0128, then you have two PIM's. You can program more ports than you are licensed for, the CP24 will take the 2nd PIM's programming, but it will not work if you are only licensed for one PIM.

A CP-24 (A or B, as well as C and D versions) that has no software loaded it can be used as a Remote PIM CPU. Typically, you would use a CP-31 card as the Remote PIM. But you could add licensed software to that CP24B if you had some and use it as the system CPU.

The 150353 software is for an IVS system (CP00 / CP03) and won't work on the CP-24.
The 150501 1920 R2 also only works on an IVS system (CP00 / CP03).

You cannot "type in" new software. It has to be loaded via NEC's MATWorX32 "IPS Registration" program.

Also, what is in Command F80-00, F88-01, F88-02, F80-03?
F88-00 is the Serial # of the CP24 and the rest are the serial numbers of the loaded software.

Is this a PBXm in the U.S. or Latan America?

 

[phdr]

THANKS neax

I am in Calif. The two 2PIM systems I bought were off ebay, Shipped within USA.
I bought whole system, relatively cheap, meaning I don't think they threw in a 2nd Cabinet to "make" it or call it an expanded system (mo $$)

3 digit answer seemed odd to me, so I threw it in there....Older Software?

In any event, Certain Testing:
Existing Client System: I believe CP24-B
F88-01 thru -10 :0001, :0005, :0005, :0048, :0001, :0000, :0003, :0004, :0002, :0064,
F80-00: 0221327880140, 01: 0564318806158, 02: 0565308816158, 03: 0563337876148
Spares (previous posts)
1st Card: CP24-A, F88-01 thru -10 :002 :005, :005, :048, :000, :000, :003, :004, :002, :064
1st card: F80-00: 0178520580140, 01:0009502530120, 02: 0508818681130, 03: NONE
2nd: CP24-B, (Remote PBX)F88- :0000, :0000, :0000, :0000, :0000, :0000, :0000, :0004 :0002, :0128
2nd: F80-00: 0446121780140, 01: 0785014424247, 02: 05651525762134, 03: 0566115772134

CAT "Typing" in 2nd PIM software on Card One, I did test the PIM and Stations worked.
(99.99% sure I did that =O 6 months ago)

au contraire !!! looking at F88 One and Ten !!
It now sounds like the Seller did INDEED, stick a 2nd cabinet in the ebay auction and call it expanded....well 2PIM, which WAS in the box. or was there a work around?
I stand corrected.....I will retest a 2nd PIM and see if Stations work in it, on CP24A,
1st Card. THEN...or should I C load that card and 2 PIMS and see if cards show on 2nd PIM? Hmmmm My buddy who programmed the second PIM took my word for the sofwtare, I guess, hence NEAX statement : " You can program more ports than you are licensed for, the CP24 will take the 2nd PIM's programming, but it will not work if you are only licensed for one PIM." Detectives !!

ANY thing here that will give my client more stations (2nd PIM) without buying a NEW CPU?
Painful learning, but learning nonetheless, so THANKS thus far

 

[neax]

1st Card: CP24-A, F88-01 thru -10 :002 :005, :005, :048, :000, :000, :003, :004, :002, :064"

I recall an issue in the early days of the 2000IPS where it would show F88-01-002 (2-PIM's) yet only show "064 (64 ports) in F8-10. In these cases, 128 ports (2 PIM's) may work but if the system was reset or lost power, it would revert back down to only one working PIM.

Do the below for me so I can tell which Series Software you have.

Command F85-FF03-??

??
D2 is 3000 Series R4.2
F1 is 3100 Series R6.1
F2 is 3200 Series R6.2
H1 is 3300 Series R8
J1 is 3400 Series R9
K1 is 3500 Series R10
L1 is 3600 Series R11
M1 is 3700 Series R12
N1 is 3800 Series R13
P1 is 3900 Series R14

 

[belevedere]

In early IPS software, a NEC promotion gave you a PIM (64) ports, so if you purchased 1 PIM you got 2. This carried on for a while until someone noticed that the promotion ended and they were still give you a PIM. Later software releases removed the extra free PIM. So you see PIM = 2 but ports = 64.

 

[phdr]

AHHHH Jogging Memories.
In one sense.....info on an out of production product line,
in another, Info someone else may use as we try to keep these things running!
I know I read and read looking for answers, limited by my inept questions.

As always, saying THANKS right from the start.
We all know how utterly frustrating it is to be stuck with no answers.

SO

Command F85-FF03- F1 (3100 Series R6.1)
I would imagine the short run of the promotion means less practical knowledge is out there.

 

[phdr]

.........SO

Card 1, CP24-A
Command F85-FF03- F1 (3100 Series R6.1)
I would imagine the short run of the promotion means less practical knowledge is out there.

Existing System
Command F85-FF03- P1 3900 Series R14

Should it take a LOAD/SAVE VERIFY ? it didn't seem to.
3900 R14 onto a 3100 R6.1 series. with "promo" free 2nd PIM.
Hence, I should C load Card 1 in Existing system, with 2nd PIM installed, then I can bring back the card to my office and thru CAT/MAT configure stations, T!, VM etc.

What would you guys do?




FYI
Card 2 CP24-B (REMOTE Switch): Command F85-FF03- P1 (3900 Series R14)

 

[neax]

You could do what you "3900 R14 onto a 3100 R6.1 series. with "promo" free 2nd PIM. Hence, I should C load Card 1 in Existing system, with 2nd PIM installed, then I can bring back the card to my office and thru CAT/MAT configure stations, T!, VM etc." but, if you lose power to the PBX it will likely revert back to a one PIM system.

Here is my suggestion; use the CP-24B "Remote CPU" for the customers' system. Since it is a CP24, it can be used as a main system CPU provided it has 64-Port and Key Keeper software loaded on it to accommodate your PBX features and port needs. This all being said, I have unused software if you want it. Let me know.