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To SP2 or not to SP2 3
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Mike Lewis
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WSJames,
SP2 fixed about 150 bugs. But it also introduced more than a few new ones. Your decision will depend on how important the fixes are to you.
You can find a list of fixes at:
and:
If you do decide to go to SP2, be sure not to install SP1 first. Just go from the raw 9.0 to SP2.
Mike
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Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
My Visual FoxPro site: www.ml-consult.co.uk
SP2 fixed about 150 bugs. But it also introduced more than a few new ones. Your decision will depend on how important the fixes are to you.
You can find a list of fixes at:
and:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/7/b/c7b400fa-ff4f-43d3-ada1-8d0ea0e6803e/VFP9SP1FixList.htm
If you do decide to go to SP2, be sure not to install SP1 first. Just go from the raw 9.0 to SP2.
Mike
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Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
My Visual FoxPro site: www.ml-consult.co.uk
Dave,
IMO, you gave some bad advice. If your CUSTOMERS are on Vista, then you should seriously consider installing SP2.
Craig Berntson
MCSD, Visual FoxPro MVP,
IMO, you gave some bad advice. If your CUSTOMERS are on Vista, then you should seriously consider installing SP2.
Craig Berntson
MCSD, Visual FoxPro MVP,
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I greatly appreciate the responses. But, I am still a bit confused [my apologies].
From the responses, it seems SP2 apps are recommended for Vista systems. I am still unsure as to whether SP2 apps are recommended for XP systems. I think I understand that SP2 does not offer benefit to [XP systems] and that it has integrated additional bugs. Are the bugs specific to Vista?
While I would anticipate that each of you will in the [near] future acquire Vista customers, why would you not upgrade to SP2? ...assuming you have no Vista customers at this time. Is it because of the new bugs Mike mentioned, or do you simply feel "why upgrade before it is necessary?"
Your response will greatly help me determine which patch to install.
Thank you again.
From the responses, it seems SP2 apps are recommended for Vista systems. I am still unsure as to whether SP2 apps are recommended for XP systems. I think I understand that SP2 does not offer benefit to [XP systems] and that it has integrated additional bugs. Are the bugs specific to Vista?
While I would anticipate that each of you will in the [near] future acquire Vista customers, why would you not upgrade to SP2? ...assuming you have no Vista customers at this time. Is it because of the new bugs Mike mentioned, or do you simply feel "why upgrade before it is necessary?"
Your response will greatly help me determine which patch to install.
Thank you again.
Mike Lewis
Programmer
WSJames,
I can understand your confusion.
In general, I would advise always to use the latest version and the latest SP. Even without the Vista issues, I would say go with SP2.
The only reason not to do that would be if you have existing users for whom you have installed VFP runtime libraries for a version below SP2. In that case, you might decide that the effort of upgrading them to the latest runtimes does not justify the extra benefits of the latest patch.
But since you've only just upgraded from 6.0, that won't be a problem for you.
Mike
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Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
My Visual FoxPro site: www.ml-consult.co.uk
I can understand your confusion.
In general, I would advise always to use the latest version and the latest SP. Even without the Vista issues, I would say go with SP2.
The only reason not to do that would be if you have existing users for whom you have installed VFP runtime libraries for a version below SP2. In that case, you might decide that the effort of upgrading them to the latest runtimes does not justify the extra benefits of the latest patch.
But since you've only just upgraded from 6.0, that won't be a problem for you.
Mike
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Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
My Visual FoxPro site: www.ml-consult.co.uk
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TamarGranor
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Just to clarify a little more, SP2 fixes lots of bugs that affect both XP and Vista. It also includes some fixes for Vista-specific issues. Unfortunately, it also introduced some new bugs that impact XP and Vista. You can find a list of those issues at
If none of those items are issues for you, going to SP2 is a no-brainer. Even if some of them are issues for you, if you have users on Vista, the Vista fixes probably outweigh the new bugs.
Tamar
If none of those items are issues for you, going to SP2 is a no-brainer. Even if some of them are issues for you, if you have users on Vista, the Vista fixes probably outweigh the new bugs.
Tamar
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Olaf Doschke
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I often wonder why "new bugs" are a showstopper for people. There are always new bugs to be expected in a new version or service pack, not only in such a complex system as a programming language. At most times the fixes of old bug outweigh new bugs. Bug reports let people focus on the thought of "I don't want that bug, so I don't go for that service pack". But do you know the list of bugs of your current version?
If you know your app is working and you don't need any of the fixes SP2 gives you, you can argue "never change a running system". But often enough that will lock you where you are. If you start with VFP9, it's best to start with SP2.
Bye. Olaf.
If you know your app is working and you don't need any of the fixes SP2 gives you, you can argue "never change a running system". But often enough that will lock you where you are. If you start with VFP9, it's best to start with SP2.
Bye. Olaf.
Olaf,
Sometimes those bugs don't become known until you push your program to your customers.
Craig Berntson
MCSD, Visual FoxPro MVP,
Sometimes those bugs don't become known until you push your program to your customers.
Craig Berntson
MCSD, Visual FoxPro MVP,
Olaf Doschke
Programmer
Hi craigber,
true, even if we would talk about a grown system in maintainance phase that runs for years at your customer and you know it's stable, if you don't move to the newest SP for that reason, you might also never move to any newer version at all. In retrospective it's the reason there still some DOS apps.
Mostly a system is unstable when it's new and needs to be cured from it's children's illnesses and when it becomes old. Not updating to new versions or only SPs is leading a system to get old, as it's environment will grow and update. There are bugs that can byte you, even if they did not so far for a long time.
Bye, Olaf.
true, even if we would talk about a grown system in maintainance phase that runs for years at your customer and you know it's stable, if you don't move to the newest SP for that reason, you might also never move to any newer version at all. In retrospective it's the reason there still some DOS apps.
Mostly a system is unstable when it's new and needs to be cured from it's children's illnesses and when it becomes old. Not updating to new versions or only SPs is leading a system to get old, as it's environment will grow and update. There are bugs that can byte you, even if they did not so far for a long time.
Bye, Olaf.
TamarGranor
Programmer
Olaf - I think the big issue with SP2 is that it had such a basic, cosmetic problem (the splash screen) when it was first released. That made people think that the usual standard of care hadn't been exercised and raised concerns about what else might be lurking. Then, when people found new bugs, it fed into those concerns.
Tamar
Tamar
Olaf Doschke
Programmer
Hello Tamar,
true, that nonupdated splash screen really made a bad impression. Nevertheless the phenomenon of not upgrading is not unique to VFP9 SP2.
Bye, Olaf.
true, that nonupdated splash screen really made a bad impression. Nevertheless the phenomenon of not upgrading is not unique to VFP9 SP2.
Bye, Olaf.
TamarGranor
Programmer
True, but I think it's worse than with other VFP versions, at least.
Tamar
Tamar
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