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Spamming Adobe does not look like a solution to me. Get the pirate and spam financier, instead. We keep going after all the wrong targets.
And, in case you are wondering, these sponsors of scam are being arrested. Justice moves slowly, but it moves.
SemperFiDownUnda
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Ecobb is right on my meaning and even is on the same track as I am about the "The drawback to this is, Company A could pay a spammer to promote Company B's product, and Company B would get in trouble."
This is where investigation gets into play.
Lets take the senario of the pirate software.
MS produces MS Office
Company X obtains said software (legally or illegally)
Company X is advertised via spam by spammers A B and C
Company X gets investigated. If they are legal then the investigation will deal just with looking for connections to spammers.
If Company X is not completely legal they get investigated for not just spam but their illegal activities in software
During those investigations hopefully spammers A B and C are identified too and they are charged.
If Company Y wants to get charges layed on Company X and highers spammers to do it, which I'm not sure how often you'd see these types of companies target legit companies, then the investigation would go no where when there is no actual ties between the company and spammers
We won't get all of them....off shore companies would be harder to get if you can touch them at all. But it is one part of a solution in my view.
Agian I'm all for educating the public but I don't think it alone will work.
With forwarding spam to legit companies.....who do I send the spam for pills that will make me 3" larger and the spam for morgages that don't actually point to a legit lending institution, and those "I'm going to loose my virginity on the web".....
All forwarding emails onto them does is verify my email address.
We all have our own opinions and thats fine at the end of the day.
I'm partial to a new email standard that we have to pay a bit for and is designed to be not so open.....if they can actually design one like that
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
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This is where investigation gets into play.
Lets take the senario of the pirate software.
MS produces MS Office
Company X obtains said software (legally or illegally)
Company X is advertised via spam by spammers A B and C
Company X gets investigated. If they are legal then the investigation will deal just with looking for connections to spammers.
If Company X is not completely legal they get investigated for not just spam but their illegal activities in software
During those investigations hopefully spammers A B and C are identified too and they are charged.
If Company Y wants to get charges layed on Company X and highers spammers to do it, which I'm not sure how often you'd see these types of companies target legit companies, then the investigation would go no where when there is no actual ties between the company and spammers
We won't get all of them....off shore companies would be harder to get if you can touch them at all. But it is one part of a solution in my view.
Agian I'm all for educating the public but I don't think it alone will work.
With forwarding spam to legit companies.....who do I send the spam for pills that will make me 3" larger and the spam for morgages that don't actually point to a legit lending institution, and those "I'm going to loose my virginity on the web".....
All forwarding emails onto them does is verify my email address.
We all have our own opinions and thats fine at the end of the day.
I'm partial to a new email standard that we have to pay a bit for and is designed to be not so open.....if they can actually design one like that
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
If you want to get the best response to a question, please check out FAQ222-2244 first
Just an FYI, Dimandja...
Forwarding a company a copy of a spam selling their products is not spamming the company. In fact, large companies have entire fraud/piracy departments dedicated to dealing with these issues. (A large bank)I forwarded several new scams to this morning encourages customer's and non-customer's to report spam e-mails.
It's just that I'd hate to see someone change their mind about forwarding something just because they think they're the spammer. It's up to the individual companies, not individual e-mail recipients, to go after pirates. I have barely enough time to report spam.
All we can do is put spam filters on, be educated about our e-mail, and hope the wheels of justice get a little oil instead of just squeaking all the time.
Forwarding a company a copy of a spam selling their products is not spamming the company. In fact, large companies have entire fraud/piracy departments dedicated to dealing with these issues. (A large bank)I forwarded several new scams to this morning encourages customer's and non-customer's to report spam e-mails.
It's just that I'd hate to see someone change their mind about forwarding something just because they think they're the spammer. It's up to the individual companies, not individual e-mail recipients, to go after pirates. I have barely enough time to report spam.
All we can do is put spam filters on, be educated about our e-mail, and hope the wheels of justice get a little oil instead of just squeaking all the time.
SemperFiDownUnda
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for those interested
an article about the economics of a small time spammer.
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
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an article about the economics of a small time spammer.
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
If you want to get the best response to a question, please check out FAQ222-2244 first
Well, here we go...
Hope This Helps!
Ecobb
"My work is a game, a very serious game." - M.C. Escher
Hope This Helps!
Ecobb
"My work is a game, a very serious game." - M.C. Escher
SemperFiDownUnda
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Similar article on CNN
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
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Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
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lionelhill
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How long before people start getting pop-ups that claim to be from AOL or wherever, saying "your e-mail has been suspended because your computer is a Zombie full of trojans. Please click on the link below to clean it up...." and finding themselves directed to all sorts of dodgy places. A new way to phish?
I'm afraid that you're probably right lionelhill. Scammers, frauds, thieves and spammers will always be one step ahead. Who's to say that they're not already? I've got new spams that I report to Spamcop that are throwing the entire parsing system off and I end up manually LARTing them because of it. Not many people will go through that effort. Too many people will still continue to click on anything that tells them to.
Too bad they can't invent a monitor with an automatic Clue By Four built in.... click a spam, click a fraudulent link, go to a sketchy website... BAM!
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Too bad they can't invent a monitor with an automatic Clue By Four built in.... click a spam, click a fraudulent link, go to a sketchy website... BAM!
SemperFiDownUnda
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Lionelhill - they already do this. How many popups do you see that say something like that?
At an ISP level it is different. What they are saying is that as soon as you log in and access a web page the only one you will get is the ISP's generated page. Now if a spammer can
1) Get the clients computer to only goto their dodgy web page no matter what url the user types/clicks on
2) Gets that dodgy web page to look like the user's ISP web (including ISP logos etc)
then ... well I've got to say they've put in a lot of effort but they will be easily tracked and are commiting a Federal offense even without the spam laws. That is Denial of Service which you'll see falls under the FBI's juristiction.
I'm for this type of move. Normal users that don't do anything wrong don't get stuck with big formalities that would cost them more money to prove they are safe and you target the ones that aren't and give them the tools/info to fix their system while removing them from actually being dangerous AFTER they've been found to be infected.
Its better then what we have now IMHO
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
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At an ISP level it is different. What they are saying is that as soon as you log in and access a web page the only one you will get is the ISP's generated page. Now if a spammer can
1) Get the clients computer to only goto their dodgy web page no matter what url the user types/clicks on
2) Gets that dodgy web page to look like the user's ISP web (including ISP logos etc)
then ... well I've got to say they've put in a lot of effort but they will be easily tracked and are commiting a Federal offense even without the spam laws. That is Denial of Service which you'll see falls under the FBI's juristiction.
I'm for this type of move. Normal users that don't do anything wrong don't get stuck with big formalities that would cost them more money to prove they are safe and you target the ones that aren't and give them the tools/info to fix their system while removing them from actually being dangerous AFTER they've been found to be infected.
Its better then what we have now IMHO
Hope I've been helpful,
Wayne Francis
If you want to get the best response to a question, please check out FAQ222-2244 first
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SemperFiDownUnda
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NICE!!!!!!!!
you could make a living out of it
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Wayne Francis
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you could make a living out of it
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Wayne Francis
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