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Security Vs Privacy 2
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Privacy and Security are really separate issues when it comes to information management. Privacy is a business to consumer issue. More stringent and comprehensive security is required for business-to-business and enterprise information systems.
A lot of media attention has been given recently to the issue of privacy. With the increase of Internet and consumers are making purchases on-line its very important for them to know their privacy rights. In general, privacy involves capturing of personal information of an individual.
Security, on the other hand, has to do with a couple of major issues. In the online World, business-to-business transactions involve much more money than an average consumer purchase. Additionally, if a consumer purchases a book from Amazon.com, for example, and uses his or her VISA credit card, most unauthorized purchases have a liability limit of approximately A$100.00. This means that VISA-the corporation-is ultimately responsible for covering what might amount to a large debt that was incurred illegally.
PimW I think this is the answer of your question. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts on Privacy Vs Security.
Regards
Jagjit
Privacy and Security are really separate issues when it comes to information management. Privacy is a business to consumer issue. More stringent and comprehensive security is required for business-to-business and enterprise information systems.
A lot of media attention has been given recently to the issue of privacy. With the increase of Internet and consumers are making purchases on-line its very important for them to know their privacy rights. In general, privacy involves capturing of personal information of an individual.
Security, on the other hand, has to do with a couple of major issues. In the online World, business-to-business transactions involve much more money than an average consumer purchase. Additionally, if a consumer purchases a book from Amazon.com, for example, and uses his or her VISA credit card, most unauthorized purchases have a liability limit of approximately A$100.00. This means that VISA-the corporation-is ultimately responsible for covering what might amount to a large debt that was incurred illegally.
PimW I think this is the answer of your question. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts on Privacy Vs Security.
Regards
Jagjit
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Thank you for your answer Jagjit..
In my opinion, Privacy and Security are significantly related to each other. You cannot maintain privacy without having security, can you?
By the way, I've read one article about seven emplyees were sacked by Holden for distributing pornography via their e-mail at work. E-mail at work is treated as the company's property.
A. Carson, "Holden sacks seven over Internet Porn", The Age on-line, 27 Jul 2000.
I'm quite wondering why their employer could access their e-mail. Does this mean there is no privacy in the large company?
For example, when I'm looking for some articles in my Uni's library, I have to access through it by my security ID and password. Similarly, I used to think that when I'm in the work place, I can have my own security account so no one can access my privacy. That article just make me confuse why employees don't have their own privacy at work.
Can anyone give me a suggestion?
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PimW. MIMS: Monash University
In my opinion, Privacy and Security are significantly related to each other. You cannot maintain privacy without having security, can you?
By the way, I've read one article about seven emplyees were sacked by Holden for distributing pornography via their e-mail at work. E-mail at work is treated as the company's property.
A. Carson, "Holden sacks seven over Internet Porn", The Age on-line, 27 Jul 2000.
I'm quite wondering why their employer could access their e-mail. Does this mean there is no privacy in the large company?
For example, when I'm looking for some articles in my Uni's library, I have to access through it by my security ID and password. Similarly, I used to think that when I'm in the work place, I can have my own security account so no one can access my privacy. That article just make me confuse why employees don't have their own privacy at work.
Can anyone give me a suggestion?
Regards,
PimW. MIMS: Monash University
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No one has privacy at work nor should they. The company is providing you the resources (and paying for them) and has the right to monitor everything you do with them. Most companies have wording to this effect in their employment agreements or as a specific policy document. You're not there to do private things, you're there (and being paid) to work. Even if an enlightened company allows limited personal use of the resources, they still have the right to monitor usage.
As an interesting side note: even the U.S. Constitution has no wording protecting a right to privacy. There have been certain limits on surveillance legislated over the last 250 years but they are limited and can be legislated away just as easily. Even in the U.S. there is not guaranteed right to privacy.
Jeff
I haven't lost my mind - I know it's backed up on tape somewhere ....
As an interesting side note: even the U.S. Constitution has no wording protecting a right to privacy. There have been certain limits on surveillance legislated over the last 250 years but they are limited and can be legislated away just as easily. Even in the U.S. there is not guaranteed right to privacy.
Jeff
I haven't lost my mind - I know it's backed up on tape somewhere ....
Privacy and security are different from each other in terms of information Management. But if somebody wants to be private he/she definitely has to have some security methods to protect their privacy. The security methods changes time to time or it depends on the 'thing' which u claims that it is private. I am 100% agree with that if you want privacy you definitely should have some security to protect that privacy.
Like Jeff said there is no privacy at work place. It’s absolutely right. If you are at workplace your employer has hired you and he/she will never want that his/her employee waste their time not doing work. Some large companies i think every large company have some rules regarding e-mails surveillance and they let the each employee know about that before joining. Your read an article that seven employer were sacked by Holden because they were sending pornography via e-mails. I will say they all should be sacked if they are not, because this is not ethical in our society. These types of people are spoiling the workplace environment. At this time this is the much bigger problem at workplace. Some employees are sending the nude photos via e-mail to female employees. So my point of view is employers should have to create an environment of 'Trust’ at work place. On the other hand employee should know about their limits and they have the knowledge about that if they do something unethical at work place they can be sacked and there their employer can monitor e-mails whenever they feel to do so.
Today there is no privacy at anywhere whether we are at work, railway stations, or in city. In general, there are 1800 cameras on railway stations (Melbourne), 85 cameras on Melbourne roads. Now they r not watching their employees they are watching the innocent public on public places. So there is no privacy anywhere. Somebody is watching us every time everywhere. It looks like we r living in BIG BROTHER house.
When you are looking at any article in Uni’s library database, they want authentication because they want that uni students use the uni database. University paid for that service so they don’t want that it have been used by any other person which is not belongs university. Like we use Proquest database from uni library it is the same data base used by each and every library in Melbourne. They paid for that service. People use different passwords and usernames to access this service if they are studying in different universities. This is what I thing if I am wrong somewhere pls let me know.
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Jagjit
Like Jeff said there is no privacy at work place. It’s absolutely right. If you are at workplace your employer has hired you and he/she will never want that his/her employee waste their time not doing work. Some large companies i think every large company have some rules regarding e-mails surveillance and they let the each employee know about that before joining. Your read an article that seven employer were sacked by Holden because they were sending pornography via e-mails. I will say they all should be sacked if they are not, because this is not ethical in our society. These types of people are spoiling the workplace environment. At this time this is the much bigger problem at workplace. Some employees are sending the nude photos via e-mail to female employees. So my point of view is employers should have to create an environment of 'Trust’ at work place. On the other hand employee should know about their limits and they have the knowledge about that if they do something unethical at work place they can be sacked and there their employer can monitor e-mails whenever they feel to do so.
Today there is no privacy at anywhere whether we are at work, railway stations, or in city. In general, there are 1800 cameras on railway stations (Melbourne), 85 cameras on Melbourne roads. Now they r not watching their employees they are watching the innocent public on public places. So there is no privacy anywhere. Somebody is watching us every time everywhere. It looks like we r living in BIG BROTHER house.
When you are looking at any article in Uni’s library database, they want authentication because they want that uni students use the uni database. University paid for that service so they don’t want that it have been used by any other person which is not belongs university. Like we use Proquest database from uni library it is the same data base used by each and every library in Melbourne. They paid for that service. People use different passwords and usernames to access this service if they are studying in different universities. This is what I thing if I am wrong somewhere pls let me know.
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Jagjit
I'd like to think of it this way..
Long time ago, we were all given a reasonably enough amount of 'privacy' at hand. Privacy refers to anything that belongs to you or from a home you are staying to a little book of stickers you have. One day, some of us weren't very happy with what we already had, but grew jealous over other people's processions. So they did something in order to get hold of what they wanted. It could be stealing, abusing, snatching or even killing...
Till now, too much of these are happening everyday. So much so that people start to implement 'security' hoping that thier lives would get back to normal. Little did they know that those people grew smarter too. They found ways and ways of getting into other people's 'privacy'. Eventually, the level of 'security' has raisen to the level that 'privacy' is almost out of the picture. One can't expect any 'privacy' any longer if 'security' is to be there or vice versa.
If you were to talk about your own safety, what would have been your choice? Would you rather have 'privacy' and nevermind about 'security'? Or if you were to be in your boss' shoes, would you have made the same decision?
Long time ago, we were all given a reasonably enough amount of 'privacy' at hand. Privacy refers to anything that belongs to you or from a home you are staying to a little book of stickers you have. One day, some of us weren't very happy with what we already had, but grew jealous over other people's processions. So they did something in order to get hold of what they wanted. It could be stealing, abusing, snatching or even killing...
Till now, too much of these are happening everyday. So much so that people start to implement 'security' hoping that thier lives would get back to normal. Little did they know that those people grew smarter too. They found ways and ways of getting into other people's 'privacy'. Eventually, the level of 'security' has raisen to the level that 'privacy' is almost out of the picture. One can't expect any 'privacy' any longer if 'security' is to be there or vice versa.
If you were to talk about your own safety, what would have been your choice? Would you rather have 'privacy' and nevermind about 'security'? Or if you were to be in your boss' shoes, would you have made the same decision?
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Start a conversation with a computer person about privacy and, within perhaps 30 seconds, you will discover that the subject has been subtly, but permanently, changed into a discussion of security. The problem is that privacy and security are not only quite different, they often appear almost unrelated.
The phone company has excellent security over landlines. Typically, the only effective way to listen in on such conversations is to tap directly into the line either at the subscriber's house or the central office switching equipment. Few Americans, as a result, have their phones tapped, and those that do invariably have someone really interested in what they are up to. Radio Shack scanners will not reveal landline phone calls.
Traditional phone service, therefore, is (relatively) secure, but is it private? A judge in the USA has recently ruled that phone companies have a First Amendment right to sell information about your private calls to whomever they wish.
This reveals the true benefit of security: With a secure system, you may rest assured that someone other than you, probably a well-established corporation, will be making a whole bunch of money off of your private information. No amateurs will be destroying your privacy for free.
Even though privacy may be the goal-a potentially elusive one at that-security is, nonetheless, an important prerequisite. Achieving security over a personal network that you may tap into anywhere in the world will require significant barriers.
The phone company has excellent security over landlines. Typically, the only effective way to listen in on such conversations is to tap directly into the line either at the subscriber's house or the central office switching equipment. Few Americans, as a result, have their phones tapped, and those that do invariably have someone really interested in what they are up to. Radio Shack scanners will not reveal landline phone calls.
Traditional phone service, therefore, is (relatively) secure, but is it private? A judge in the USA has recently ruled that phone companies have a First Amendment right to sell information about your private calls to whomever they wish.
This reveals the true benefit of security: With a secure system, you may rest assured that someone other than you, probably a well-established corporation, will be making a whole bunch of money off of your private information. No amateurs will be destroying your privacy for free.
Even though privacy may be the goal-a potentially elusive one at that-security is, nonetheless, an important prerequisite. Achieving security over a personal network that you may tap into anywhere in the world will require significant barriers.
The current proliferation of security technologies aren't confining themselves to blocking viruses and spam companies are starting to monitor their employees and are getting increasingly hardcore in their response.
Only recently, the Dow Chemical Company in the US fired 29 of its employees, suspended another 42 and disciplined a host of others for sending pornographic or 'violent images' on company e-mail. Around the recent elections in our neck of the woods there was one highly publicized incident when an employee was fired for sending a racist email.
Only recently, the Dow Chemical Company in the US fired 29 of its employees, suspended another 42 and disciplined a host of others for sending pornographic or 'violent images' on company e-mail. Around the recent elections in our neck of the woods there was one highly publicized incident when an employee was fired for sending a racist email.
Wow...what kind of idiot would deal with porno in the work place??? Geez. They deserve to be sacked...keeps the corporate gene pool intact.
Could it be said that security is required to ensure privacy?
pivan In not now, when?
If not here, where?
If not us, who?
Just do it!!
Could it be said that security is required to ensure privacy?
pivan In not now, when?
If not here, where?
If not us, who?
Just do it!!
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when we talk about privacy so how do we know what are our rights? and where we can complaint, don't you think when we make any complaint it takes too long and waste of money........
Now i found that PRIVACY is really a big problem. Every one is concerned about privacy, why they wouldn't. i mean when i was a child i always fight with my brothers and sisters because they always tough my private things. so when we were child we don't about this world. so now we are young and we still don't want that anyone interrupt our privacy. Whether we are at work or at home. or on the other hand i think privacy depends on what is your relation with that person who interrupt’s your privacy. if u really like that person u don't want to keep anything private from him/her. so employers have to create the environment of faith, trust.
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Yeah, I think so that a great solution to gain efficient work from employees is to create the faith and trust environment. It's better than check employees' e-mails without their permission. If you are those employees who's been checked their properties when you're working there, I don't think that you feel good and want to work in this kind of organization. Even, there is the rule that 'E-mail at work is treated as the company's property', I'd rather expect someone to ask me first when they try to access to my own property.
As MasterRacker said that 'you're not there to do private things, you're there (and being paid) to work'. I understand that and agree for that as well but in case that you work a bit late some day then you mail a message to tell your husband/wife about that..Do you think that it is other's business to read that mail? I'm still thinking that every employee should have his/her privacy in some way.
How are they going to have privacy? I think security is involved in this step so how somebody said that security and privacy is not related with each other.
PimW. MIMS Monash University.
As MasterRacker said that 'you're not there to do private things, you're there (and being paid) to work'. I understand that and agree for that as well but in case that you work a bit late some day then you mail a message to tell your husband/wife about that..Do you think that it is other's business to read that mail? I'm still thinking that every employee should have his/her privacy in some way.
How are they going to have privacy? I think security is involved in this step so how somebody said that security and privacy is not related with each other.
PimW. MIMS Monash University.
You can't give employees privacy. Not unless the employee is the computer tech. What you can do is create a corporate culture that values an individual's privacy , and fires anyone that violates another's privacy.
And you warn employees that their email is stored on computers that sometimes require technicians to look into the storage area, so they can't be certain that things will stay private.
You also warn employees that there is monitoring software available that will record their browsing and that is is/is not in use and that any changes will be advertised.
Once employees are aware of the guidelines and begin to trust the employer things work out. But it takes free and open communications on both sides. Ed Fair
efair@atlnet.com
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And you warn employees that their email is stored on computers that sometimes require technicians to look into the storage area, so they can't be certain that things will stay private.
You also warn employees that there is monitoring software available that will record their browsing and that is is/is not in use and that any changes will be advertised.
Once employees are aware of the guidelines and begin to trust the employer things work out. But it takes free and open communications on both sides. Ed Fair
efair@atlnet.com
Any advice I give is my best judgement based on my interpretation of the facts you supply.
Help increase my knowledge by providing some feedback, good or bad, on any advice I have given.
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