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pawz

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Dec 24, 2002
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I have brought this subject up before, here and elsewhere, and the silence has been deafening. I am calling it to folks attention again because I can't believe this should happen, or can happen, but it HAS happened to me three times, the first time by disaster, the other times by me testing to see if it would do it again, and it did, each time.
I am hoping some brave soul will run a similar test and either not meet my own experiences, so I know it is a problem only on my machine and not 'normal', or finds the same thing happens and confirms it so that other folk do not suffer a disaster - and maybe someone asks Microsoft how this can be....

I am running XP Pro SP1. I wanted to claim back some hard drive space on each of my four drives, so I went to Disk Cleanup on each of the drive properties sheet General tab and clicked on the button.
First it compressed my 'old' files, which was fine, then it gave me the options of having files cleaned from two areas - recycle bin and the catalogue files for the contents indexer.
The amount of files reckoned to be compiled by the Indexer was enormous, but the blurb explained that these were files left over from a previous indexing operation and could be deleted safely - so I trusted the message and that is what I did, and I lost almost all of them.
In some cases the folders were left but with nowt inside, but the vast majority WERE deleted - the actual files, not some indexed list of files. Docs, applications, utilities, game sav files ( sob) - most everything except system files. It took 'old' stuff as well as a folder with updated docs in it that I had only just completed, and which I only managed to recover about two thirds of. I was horrified when I realised what had happened, couldn't believe it, so I backed up the few items I had left on my now wonderfully empty drive, and then set up the same operation - and again it took most but not all of everything, deleting some things out of the same folder as stuff it left, other places taking the lot. I did it again today, just to remind myself, and the same result.

How can this be? How can it say 'these files can be safely deleted' and then delete the majority without any further warning? It can't be meant to do this surely?
Please will someone else with more than one logical drive available have a go, after backing up of course, just to see if they get the same result.
I would really like to know for my own interests, but also to warn other folk not to tick the cleanup box for contents indexer if the same thing is going to happen to them...

Gracie:)
 
I knew there was a reason for disabling Indexing. Glad I don't use it.

I'd try it if I could.....

Andy.
 
I agree with satrow, I find that the Indexing service gives me no added system performance and it is one of the first things I disable after a new install.

Have you spoken to MS yourself? I'm sure they would be interested to hear your views and your experience in this matter.

At the end of the day they can only improve the O/S based on feedback etc...


Greg Palmer
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I disabled Indexer in the services some months back, before this event, because something was accessing my drive every few minutes,using up processor time, seeming to add to the cache and noticeably inhibiting performance,causing even quite simple games to run jerkily at odd moments - most inconvenient!. That took care of the problem (I thought) and it is disabled in 'Search', so how it still appears to riffle through and create catalogues files I do not understand - something is awry.....

Freggle I will take a peek at that link and watch this space :)
 
Greg - sorry, didn't mean to ignore you.
No, haven't spoken to MS yet as I wanted to ascertain whether it was my machine or their OS that was causing the problem.
I have scoured the web hoping to see that others had picked up on or could explain this behaviour and also raised it in this and another forum, but the typical response is along the lines of 'coo, glad I don't use it' and 'never trust the machine', which is fair enough but not very helpful to people who DO trust the machine and lose all their data....

cheers

Gracie:)
 
In addition to disabling the Indexing service, I also right-click each partition and untick 'allow Indexing...', this will take a while; you will have access errors on any files that are in use - ignore all.

Andy.
 
thanks Andy, I did still have indexing enabled on two of them, so I have done as you said (didn't take that long on account of the fact that I aint got nuffink much left anyway.

I have just gone into the relevant drives properties sheets and clicked on Disk Cleanup, and the catalogue files box is still ticked and full of stuff, so now I shall reboot and see what that does, and then, if still there, I shall tell it to go ahead and see if it takes the files again (backing up for the umptieth time of course-sigh)

Gracie:)
 
well, I re-booted -

STILL disk cleanup reckoned it had thousands of Kb 'unnecessary' files to clean up in the catalogue indexer box, so I let it and again all the folders are empty except for the html pages.
Word docs have all gone, .pdf's all gone, probably the pics etc etc.

surely it must be my machine, this can't be right...?
 
I have put the stuff back on the 'test' drive, and noticed a file named RECYCLER - which I have seen before I think, and queried and was told it was part of System Mechanics utilities, left behind after an uninstall, but it wouldn't delete when I tried I seemed to recall, suggesting it was in use. I looked in there today and it held the empty folders of the drive left after disk cleanup had done its thing. I looked at its properties and found that that also was enabled for indexing. I disabled it and then emptied the recycle bin, and then the RECYCLER file disappeared. I checked back with the properties of the test drive and found it had been re-enabled for indexing! I disable it again and it has so far stayed that way. I shall see after next reboot. Curioser and curioser, and its making me grumpy, so I am off to get a cuppa.

Gracie:)
 
Hey Pawz, you sittin' on an old graveyard?

Andy.
 
the outraged inhabitants comin back to haunt me you mean? I saw that film too! Waaahhh.

Gracie:)
 
Hey linney, I thought Indexing only worked on NTFS....?

So....has some other software modified the Indexing properties....?

Does this happen because Indexing was not configured correctly....?

Perhaps I need some sleep....

Andy.
 
Indexing doesn't work on any of my machines, as Microsoft often say "This is by design". But I imagine for it to work correctly it must be set up correctly in the first place.
 
set up correctly by whom - the machine or user? And if its disabled,why does it work at all??

Gracie:)
 
Funny, RECYCLER is normally a folder - it contains the files in the recycle bin on an NTFS format drive. On a FAT or FAT32 drive, the folder is called RECYCLED.

John
 
I have had both - RECYCLER and recycled. I still have the recycled folder in all the drives except C, though this is NTFS. Could it be because I first had the file system as FAT32 and then changed it to NTFS?
Yes, RECYCLER is/was a folder, did I say it was a file? Silly me.

Gracie:)
 
I wonder if this would not be a good point in time to start again. This time with a clean install of XP after a Format of the partition.

The reason I say this, and I may be wrong in assuming this, but if your original XP was an upgrade from something else, which you then later followed up by converting FAT32 to NTFS via Convert.exe or a third party program, your drive and XP may have been run through the proverbial mixer and in need of some TLC. Also you have backed up what is left of your depleted data and may never have a better opportunity to perform such an operation as now.

We have all searched for similar faults as to what you have experienced and the lack of found results points to your operating system as the prime suspect and not XP in general.
Again I could be wrong, as I often am, but at least I offer a solution however much unpalatable it may be.
 
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