One Source Configurator and End Point Licenses for DECT

[trinetintl]

I am a bit confused and I will appreciate some help, I am working on a design for an all digital phone system that includes DECT R4 with 4 3720 Handsets, pretty basic and straight forward design, nothing fancy however Avaya's one source configuration tool keeps dropping 4 end point licenses on the design while Catalyst latest configuration tool does not. If I change the quantity of DECT handsets the number of end point licenses change to match. I was under the impression that DECT handsets did not require end point licenses since technically they are not IP phones, right? Who is correct Avaya One Source or Catalyst Configuration tool?

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[tlpeter]

The tool is right.
IPDect required an ip endpoint license per dect phone.

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[trinetintl]

tlpeter, thanks for the quick response, I went back to a recent DECT proposal I made and indeed the endpoint license is there, maybe I simply deleted the endpoint license by accident from this proposal and since this is my second opportunity where we are proposing DECT, we do not get this type of requests that often, I am still well inside the DECT learning curve. I already closed the first one, hope I was able to design it wisely and the signal will be strong enough to service the phones on the edges of the building otherwise we are going to be in deep doo-doo.

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[amriddle01]

That what DECT surveys are for...

 

[trinetintl]

Yep, unfortunately the building is under construction, still ways to go to get the walls up. I guess if we try a survey right now it will work great without the walls plus we do not yet have a survey kit yet so we are kind of winging this one big time, I just hope we get lucky, it is our first since all distances are less than half of the maximum, I expect we will probably learn a lot once this project gets on its way.

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[intrigrant]

I use a Spectralink(former KIRK) Z500 with a 3725 handset for surveys.
Never do a survey in a building which is under construction or when it is not in use.

 

[trinetintl]

intrigrant, is it Z500 cheaper than the DECT RBS? I googled Spectralink Z500 and nothing is coming up under spectralink, google keeps telling me that it is a Polycom antenna, can you post a part number?

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[intrigrant]

The Z500 is ancient, Avaya sold them long ago as "IP Office DECT", it is based on analog stations.
Basically any DECT basestation will be fine for a survey, the handset to use for the survey is important.
I use the 3725 handset as it can show all DECT systems around with their respective signal strength as others can only show their own base station.
When deploying a residential multi base station DECT system it is important to know if there are other DECT systems nearby as they can interfere with your system. The only solution is to over power them or if possible remove them.

 

[trinetintl]

Since we last talked, we have closed the deal, now we are in the hook, site is still under construction we are still at least 3 months away from deploying so we will see what happens once we deploy.
I do have a second issue that came up, the question about paging and two-hour fire rated ceilings, where can I post this question? Can I post it here? Is there a forum for paging only?

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[joe2938]

why would fire rated ceilings be your issue?

 

[trinetintl]

joe,

Foreman told me that if I make a hole in the ceiling it must be covered and that it better include an enclosure that is two-hour fire rated otherwise, if the installation does not pass inspection I then will be liable for the labor to pull everything out plus for having to patch the holes back up to meet the requested fire code. I am going to post the following on a separate thread to see if somebody can help.

We submitted a solution that included bogen pre-amplified ASWG1 speakers with the RE84 to my surprise, when I went onsite to start planning the deployment, the foreman gave a a piece of information that nobody cared to give me before we submitted the proposal. All the ceiling is two-hour fire rated and any penetrations must be sealed with a specific two-hour rated caulk. I asked Bogen tech support and they told me that the RE84 is plenum but they were not able to provide me with a document I can submit to the architects for approval that specially say that the RE84 is two-hour fire rated and tested. I found some two-hour fire rated enclosures that I can install on top of the RE84 but they cost almost $80.00 each and if you multiply that by about 34, well, the customer freaked out. Is there a more affordable alternative out there that I can use?

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[amriddle01]

Caulking holes in the ceiling is easy. I don't see why you are using plenum/2 hr rated enclosures, nothing you say they specified suggests you need them? Are all the desks, chairs and PCs etc going to plenum rated? No, it's just for protection between floors that's important

 

[IPGuru]

I would suggest that as the building is still under construction you should put something in your quote that says the number of base stations is an estimate & may need to be revised.

If mounting speakers in the ceiling may be a problem why not simply wall mount them


Do things on the cheap & it will cost you dear

 

[trinetintl]

I already suggested the wall mount speakers, I actually purchased a sample to present to the owner but that solution got relegated to Plan C, Plan A is to wait and see if the Bogen RE84 is approved by the architects, if that plan is rejected then we go to plan B which is a two-hour fire rated enclosure and going through the pain of finding a vendor that can supply such enclosures and then going through the paperwork of submitting a change order. I have googled two-hour rated enclosures and results are very limited to just one or two options, it seems this is a rare and very expensive item, not sure why, I though it would be somthing more common. Do you guys have a recommendation on an inexpensive enclosure I can use that is two-hour fire rated, and the key it, two-hour fire rated, not plenum, not one-hour but something that specifically states in its specs two-hour fire rated.

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[amriddle01]

But surely the speakers go into a false ceiling, only the structure that is between floors, the actual ceiling is actually 2hr rated, I don't beleieve all the light fittings etc are 2hr rated. Are you talking about different things? Or are you going to dig holes in the concrete/wooden actual ceiling and place the speakers in that?

 

[trinetintl]

No, no ceiling tile or false ceiling, I wish that was the case then I would not be here asking for a suggestion for a two-hour rated enclosure and yes, we have to penetrate the two layer sheet rock ceiling and in some case a wall to mount the speakers. Originally, the two speakers to be mounted on the wall were going to go on the ceiling but the ceiling is almost 20' high and the owner wants the speakers on the wall in order to be able to service them in case they go bad, to me that doesn't make any sense because I do not think they are also going to move the light fixtures to the wall in order to make it easier to change the light bulbs. I then recommended a couple of wall mount speakers more suitable for the wall that actually point to the floor and will satisfy the two-hour fire rated because it is not going to penetrate the wall but the owner insist that everything must be flushed mounted.

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[mattKnight]

>But surely the speakers go into a false ceiling, only the structure that is between floors, the actual ceiling is actually 2hr rated

Isn't this about air circulation Andy? I think the US tend to use the void between false ceiling and structure as an air return / circulation and in the UK we duct it. Obviously, the fire code is to prevent smoke being swept into other areas of the building.

I did some training on evacuation systems and they required a 2hr fire rated enclosure. have you tried Philips?

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[trinetintl]

This is a home health care and I was told by the foreman that the state is requiring the place to be built as close as possible like a hospital because they are going to have guests or patients that cannot move on their own, I was also told that the two-hour fire rated is to allow enough time to evacuate as many people as possible in case of a fire. I am actually glad to see that this is not something common because I was afraid that the customer was going to start questioning us about the extra expense to add the enclosures in case the architects reject the Bogen solution and we have to go with the special enclosures because it is a sizable expense.

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