New Redhat Licensing Scheme

[Michael42]

Could someone please help me interpret Redhat's new licensing scheme?

Is it true that Redhat 9 is the last of the "series" and that the new way Redhat will be offered is via three main avenues under Redhat Enterprise:
WS (Workstation)
ES (Enterprise Server)
AS (Application Server)


1. Can the above be downloaded for free just as Redhat 9?
2. For workstations, why not just install the ES version and disable the "server" options not required for workstations? This way you only need to support one version.
3. Do you have any general recommendations on deploying Redhat LINUX under this new scheme?

Thanks for your take on this.


Thanks,

Michael42

 

[jwenting]

1) even the current versions can't all be gotten free, only a stripped down version. Guess this will remain.
2) cost, wasted diskspace, etc.
3) don't Use Debian

 

[Michael42]

jwenting,

Thanks for the reply. Could you please elaborate on the advantages of using Debian?





Thanks,

Michael42

 

[bedrock]

i switched from redhat to debian when i got word there were scrapping linux, and im more than happy with the switch.

1) network install: no big isos to download (this speeds up the install process CONSIDERABLY)

2) apt-get/dselect: similar to up2date, except there's no subscribing or paying for anything.

3) smaller: from what i found redhat installed tons of things i dont need/want, even for minimal installations. debian does a better job here too i think. just install the base system, and apt-get anything else you need.

4) cleaner: goes along with 3, less packages are organized 'better'. 'better' of course is relative, and organization is somewhat of an asthetic thing most of the time, but debian just feels like a rock to me

im sure there is more, these are just what ive found in the first week or so running.

what we see depends mainly on what we look for.
--John Lubbock

 

[sleipnir214]

I've been a dyed-in-the-wool RedHat user for many years now, both free and for-pay. I have several systems running RH 9.0.

My take on the whole RedHat/Fedora thing is that I'll let others be the guinea pigs for the new distribution.

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[lullysing]

I use suse myself, but i'm probably going to go and mess around with slackware , debian or try something different by getting OpenBSD next.

When i went to school we all had RH systems, but i found the things to be too user friendly and not unixy enough. Right now my machines are all built from a minimum install of suse and then getting sources for anything else i may need on my system.Right now, it's turning alright, cept for some really dumb oversights on suse's part ( like not putting the C libraries, or gcc, or MAKE on their minimum installs... grr).

It all depends on how much you wanna mess with your system. I'm sure fedora is not gonna be so bad, as long as you know what you are doing and aren't afraid to poke under the hood and the fix things yourself. I know i did, and so can you, it's all about choice, character and practice.

--David

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[Michael42]

Thanks very much for the feedback all.

It is very helpful.

 

[GlennSelby]

Incase you're interested, this is the outrageous pricing scheme (GBP)



ws workstation
standard £209 per annum, per server
1 years technical support (limited time via phone
and website mon to fri 9-5, 4 hours response time)

basic £125 per annum, per server
software, and 1 years sub to Red Hat Network

es server 1 - 2 cpu, 8GB RAM
standard £559 per annum, per server
basic £249 per annum, per server

support as above

as server 3 + cpu, 8GB + Ram
standard £1,050 per annum, per server
premium £1,749 per annum, per server
(24/7 support)



I've being using RH for some time in a corporate environment as I (along with many IT administrators) was becoming fed up with Microsoft’s prices and constant licensing changes. It now looks like RH are heading the same way as Microsoft and have in fact priced themselves out of the market. I have just started looking at SuSE but as they have just been brought out by Netware who knows what the future holds for them. Think I'm going to take your advice bedrock and look at Debian instead!

 

[danielhozac]

What I don't understand is why people who have previously used RedHat Linux will not even consider using Fedora. It's essentially the same, apart from the development model which has become a lot more open for others. I guess that the lack of support from RedHat Inc. may be one problem, but going to Debian wouldn't solve that either.

//Daniel

 

[sleipnir214]

I, for one, will readily consider it. I'm just not going to be the first lemming off the cliff.

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[rrsub]

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't this Fedora thing really just RH with Mandrake-like stuff?

RH has always been more stable (for me) whereas Mandrake was more of a plaything (nothing bad about that. I like Mandrake but wanted to stay with a US company for support)

From what I hear, there will still be no MP3 support (big deal, we can all download a small patch for that) but will have xine and ogle.

I think the only thing that will be different will be more up-to-date versions of packages as well as a maturing desktop. In the future, PC's should have the option of the RH(WS) version or you could wipe out Longhorn and install Fedora.

 

[RhythmAce]

I downloaded Fedora Core 1 but can't get the 3rd disc to pass the media test. The first 2 pass with flying colors but the 3rd hangs the system. I tried downloading it again but no change. I guess I could try putting the 3rd one in second but then if I can't trust the test, I don't think I'd have the nads to install the whole kit and kabootle.

 

[zeland]

I've just installed fedora and tested it out a bit. From a general users point of view, it doesn't differ much from RH9 except for a few bells and wistles here and there (like color vi editor, new backgrounds etc.). The Add/Remove package is still the same old piece of garbage since RH8. When are they going to change that to something like apt-get; only heaven knows.

 

[fluid11]

One Red Hat option that everyone failed to mention is the new Red Hat Professional Workstation.

http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/

It cost about $80 on buy.com. If you buy it, what you'll actually get in the mail is Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS 3.0, which normally costs $179 or $299, depending on the support options you purchase. RHPW comes with 1 year of updates and installation support. Red Hat has been very vague about what its plans are for RHPW in the future. They won't answer any questions on what will happen to it after your year is up.

"When are they going to change that to something like apt-get; only heaven knows."

--> They already have. Fedora comes with yum, apt-get, and up2date included. The up2date that comes included with Fedora is really just a front end to the yum or apt repositories. Also, you can download apt-get or yum for any version of RHL starting with 6.2. This is how you get your free updates if you don't want to purchase an RHN subscription.

http://apt.freshrpms.net/

The difference between Fedora and RHL is that Fedora is more bleeding edge, meaning its goal is to have the latest of everything in each release.

http://fedora.redhat.com

FYI, for those trying to download Fedora, the best way to do it is using BitTorrent. Here's the link...

http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/

ChrisP
RHCE, LPIC-1, CCNA, CNE, MCSE, +10 others

 

[Michael42]

fluid11,

Thanks for posting. That is very useful.