TomSlayton
Programmer
If you still love VFP here's an opportunity to send a message:
Tek-Tips is the largest IT community on the Internet today!
Members share and learn making Tek-Tips Forums the best source of peer-reviewed technical information on the Internet!
-
Congratulations Mike Lewis on being selected by the Tek-Tips community for having the most helpful posts in the forums last week. Way to Go!
New Petition to MS for VFP 10
- Thread starter TomSlayton
- Start date
- Status
Tore Bleken
Programmer
What a waste of energy. It was way too late 15 years ago, now in 2015 this petition is just ridiculous.
Mike Lewis
Programmer
I agree with Tbleken. It's a ridiculous idea.
Mike
__________________________________
Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads
Mike
__________________________________
Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads
I would settle for a 64 bit oledb
B-)
Regards
Griff
Keep [Smile]ing
B-)
Regards
Griff
Keep [Smile]ing
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I'm trying to cut down on the use of shrieks (exclamation marks), I'm told they are not good for you.
I'm trying to cut down on the use of shrieks (exclamation marks), I'm told they are not good for you.
It was too late the day MS bought FoxPro. They only bought FP so they could rape and pillage it for Rushmore then trash it, which is exactly what they did.
FP is dead and MS will never revive it no matter what, simply because the cost/benefit ratio for MS sucks compared to their other products. It is not now and never has been about what is good for the users.
So, I have to agree with the others - it is a supreme waste of time.
mmerlinn
Poor people do not hire employees. If you soak the rich, who are you going to work for?
"We've found by experience that people who are careless and sloppy writers are usually also careless and sloppy at thinking and coding. Answering questions for careless and sloppy thinkers is not rewarding." - Eric Raymond
FP is dead and MS will never revive it no matter what, simply because the cost/benefit ratio for MS sucks compared to their other products. It is not now and never has been about what is good for the users.
So, I have to agree with the others - it is a supreme waste of time.
mmerlinn
Poor people do not hire employees. If you soak the rich, who are you going to work for?
"We've found by experience that people who are careless and sloppy writers are usually also careless and sloppy at thinking and coding. Answering questions for careless and sloppy thinkers is not rewarding." - Eric Raymond
Olaf Doschke
Programmer
>If you still love VFP here's an opportunity to send a message:
>It was too late the day MS bought FoxPro. They only bought FP so they could rape and pillage it for Rushmore then trash it, which is exactly what they did.
Both of this is ridiculous.
>If you still love VFP here's an opportunity to send a message:
If you'd liked to see VFP10, you should have bought VFP8 or 9, the budget of writing new versions of products is financed with the earnings of previous versions, MS is a business, not a state funded IT scientific research office.
>It was too late the day MS bought FoxPro. They only bought FP so they could rape and pillage it for Rushmore then trash it, which is exactly what they did.
MS bought VFP or rather merged with Fox Software 1992, did Versions 3-9 to not seem to only trash it? VFP was a business success and would have been continued, if people would have bought VFP9, that's all there is to it. Yes, rushmore was put into MSSQL, but not just as VFP9 was deprecated. That has been done 1992+, and nowadays the sql engine of MSSQL surely is already ahead of that.
MS has only waited so long to seem friendlier towards the VFP community? Is that really, what you're thinking? Sure? The first MVPs were VFP MVPs, MS liked this product, it also sold Windows, Office and drove customers with growing data to MSSQL. They didnÄt bought it to kill it, they bought and pushed it forward along with MSSQL and Access to have a set of databases for every need.
Bye, Olaf.
>It was too late the day MS bought FoxPro. They only bought FP so they could rape and pillage it for Rushmore then trash it, which is exactly what they did.
Both of this is ridiculous.
>If you still love VFP here's an opportunity to send a message:
If you'd liked to see VFP10, you should have bought VFP8 or 9, the budget of writing new versions of products is financed with the earnings of previous versions, MS is a business, not a state funded IT scientific research office.
>It was too late the day MS bought FoxPro. They only bought FP so they could rape and pillage it for Rushmore then trash it, which is exactly what they did.
MS bought VFP or rather merged with Fox Software 1992, did Versions 3-9 to not seem to only trash it? VFP was a business success and would have been continued, if people would have bought VFP9, that's all there is to it. Yes, rushmore was put into MSSQL, but not just as VFP9 was deprecated. That has been done 1992+, and nowadays the sql engine of MSSQL surely is already ahead of that.
MS has only waited so long to seem friendlier towards the VFP community? Is that really, what you're thinking? Sure? The first MVPs were VFP MVPs, MS liked this product, it also sold Windows, Office and drove customers with growing data to MSSQL. They didnÄt bought it to kill it, they bought and pushed it forward along with MSSQL and Access to have a set of databases for every need.
Bye, Olaf.
- Thread starter
- #7
TomSlayton
Programmer
Could be ridiculous and a waste of time but it only takes less than a minute to visit the link and sign the petition. Less time than it took to think about and write responses to this post. If you don't want to sign it no one says you have to. Maybe MS would do some future development or maybe they would consider releasing it as open source or maybe they will just do nothing. If you use VFP and you like development using it why not sign it? Doesn't hurt anything or anyone.
Olaf Doschke
Programmer
Just looked at the petition text. You won't get MS interested by blaming them to make a mistake and worse accusations. Would you react to people angry about you?
You'd maybe interest them, if there is a business case in making VFP10, but there isn't.
Those, who can't afford VS, MSSQL and MS Servers can go Linux and do so.
Those that can afford todays MS development tools also do so.
The competition is with open source initiatives, cloud services supporting open source dev tools like JS, PHP, Java, NoSQL databases, those are also competitors for IBM and Oracle. Sun already was merged with Oracle, if you didn't get it.
VFP lives with the support of the community and is driven forward in VFPX. I have to admit I don't know how actively the development there is, but it's more than nothing and if I see people here not even knowing about the features they can get from extensions like foxypreviewer - then asking MS for version 10 is even more ridiculous and short sighted.
430 signers in about a week. I hope for you, this is progressing, but with 60 people per day, even assuming every signer is buying a VFP10 version, it'll take a long time to interest MS. It's not in their roadmap to pick up VFP9 and continue it.
Then there is the problem with the file system and protocol. As hotfixes didn't fixed the problem and you still only get successfully bringing down errors by turning off oplocks, as the recent thread thread184-1745920 about the pubassist software show, you'd need to address that with VFP10 and that makes it an expensive update. Just go for Client/Server and you get away from file protocol problems. You can make use of DBFs, but I would only use them for single user apps and you could also use them in web apps, as then the IIS will be the single user directly working on the DBFs. If using DBFs for multi user at all, then for god's sake on file servers, dan has addressed that very clear.
Anyway, the time for VFP has come for many reasons, not only because MS doesn't support it anymore, because other things are prefered.
Bye, Olaf.
You'd maybe interest them, if there is a business case in making VFP10, but there isn't.
Those, who can't afford VS, MSSQL and MS Servers can go Linux and do so.
Those that can afford todays MS development tools also do so.
The competition is with open source initiatives, cloud services supporting open source dev tools like JS, PHP, Java, NoSQL databases, those are also competitors for IBM and Oracle. Sun already was merged with Oracle, if you didn't get it.
VFP lives with the support of the community and is driven forward in VFPX. I have to admit I don't know how actively the development there is, but it's more than nothing and if I see people here not even knowing about the features they can get from extensions like foxypreviewer - then asking MS for version 10 is even more ridiculous and short sighted.
430 signers in about a week. I hope for you, this is progressing, but with 60 people per day, even assuming every signer is buying a VFP10 version, it'll take a long time to interest MS. It's not in their roadmap to pick up VFP9 and continue it.
Then there is the problem with the file system and protocol. As hotfixes didn't fixed the problem and you still only get successfully bringing down errors by turning off oplocks, as the recent thread thread184-1745920 about the pubassist software show, you'd need to address that with VFP10 and that makes it an expensive update. Just go for Client/Server and you get away from file protocol problems. You can make use of DBFs, but I would only use them for single user apps and you could also use them in web apps, as then the IIS will be the single user directly working on the DBFs. If using DBFs for multi user at all, then for god's sake on file servers, dan has addressed that very clear.
Anyway, the time for VFP has come for many reasons, not only because MS doesn't support it anymore, because other things are prefered.
Bye, Olaf.
Mike Lewis
Programmer
I might have felt a bit more favourably inclined towards the petition if it gave some sound arguments that might convince Microsoft to change their minds. Simply telling Microsoft that they "made a mistake" isn't going to carry any weight at all.
What would you expect the CEO to tell the shareholders when they ask why they spent x thousands of dollars on a project for which there was no sound business case? "Oh, we decided to do it because some nice people sent us a petition with 450 signatures." Not very plausible.
Mike
__________________________________
Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads
What would you expect the CEO to tell the shareholders when they ask why they spent x thousands of dollars on a project for which there was no sound business case? "Oh, we decided to do it because some nice people sent us a petition with 450 signatures." Not very plausible.
Mike
__________________________________
Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland)
Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads
- Status
