Network Problem 3

[pcbytz]

Hi
My set up:
I'm running two machines on a small home network. Computer (A) is XP Home. Computer (B) is 98sec edition. I have Broadband Cable Each computer connects to the Internet thru a hub. Each Computer has it's own IP address. No Internet Sharing. No integrated XP Firewall enabled. PC (A) XP has Norton Personal Firewall 2003; PC (B) 98sec. has Zone Alarm 4 Pro.
Network setup:
Client for Microsoft Networks---and File and Printer sharing for Microsoft Networks.
Protocols installed TCP/IP, Microsoft TCP/IP version6, and NetBEUI. I know Microsoft doesn't support NetBeui but I have done this setup on many PCs and have always worked fine.
My Problem:
My 98sec edition Computer can see the XP computer and can transfer files either way. The XP computer can see the 98 computer but it is not accessible.
The Error Message:
When I go to access Computer (B)the 98sec edition from the XP Computer the problem error is:
\\Computer (b) 98sec edition is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the Administrator of this Server to find out if you have access permissions. ------The parameter is incorrect.
The other error I get is when I right click the 98 PC and select properties. I get the "The Server PC 98 does not accept remote requests."
I have disabled both Firewalls and have gone as far as removing Zone Alarm from the 98 PC. The only thing I've disabled on the XP PC was the Messenger Service. I don't think that could have anything to do with it.
Any help with this would really help being I have a lump on the side of my head from banging it into the wall.
Thanks
Pcbytz

 

[bcastner]

.Workgroup name identical, computer names unique.
.Something:drive,folder,printer, something shared on both machines.
.No blank or empty passwords
.All users and passwords on Computer A made users with passwords on Computer B, and vice-versa.

 

[pcbytz]

Thanks for the quick reply
I Checked all you wrote Both computers are on same workgroup, both have unique computer names. Both PCs have folders shared with full access. There's no blank passwords.

Can you explain the last thing you wrote. "All users and passwords on computer A made users with passwords on computer B and vice-versa"

Also on the 98 pc I have a network log on that comes up at boot time. On the XP pc I logon at the Welcome screen. Is that the same as logging on to the network in XP? How can I be sure I have access to the network?

 

[bcastner]

Your logon procedures are fine, the Welcome Screen performs a full logon.

If Computer A has user Tom and Dick, then Computer B should also have users Tom an Dick with the same passwords. Similarly, if Computer B has unique users Sally and Mary, Computer A should also have users Sally and Mary with the same passwords.

In the end both computers have users Tom, Dick, Sally and Mary.

 

[pcbytz]

About the users and passwords, If I create a user on Computer (A) Tom, give him a password, is that user automaticly created on Computer (B)?
(How would I locate the user)?
One thing I do remember when I was setting up the Network from the XP PC (Running the Wiz) was getting a prompt that there was a idenical name on the Network? I really could not find where or what location this was happening.

One question using NetBEUI would I still have to run the Network setup disk on the 98 PC? Or is that for sharing the internet and network over TCP/IP?

I think I'll try picking up a router today and see if it makes any difference.

 

[bcastner]

A1: In a Workgroup creating a user on A, does nothing for B. You have to go to each and manually make the entry.

A2: The prompt from the Network wizard about an identical name was for an identical Computer Name, not user name. Make sure each computer has a different name, but identical Workgroup name.

I should note that you must not be horribly clever in naming either the workgroup or computer. Blank spaces "My Network", or many common keyboard symbols should be avoided. Also, while it should not, there is sufficient anecdotal evidence that at least for the Workgroup name use all upper case always. Workgroup and WORKgroup and WORKGROUP do not always resolve the same.

A3: For Netbui you just add it as a protocol without re-running the Network wizard. See Scott Finney's article on using Netbui under XP:

http://www.scotsnewsletter.com/38.htm#tipadaweek

 

[pcbytz]

I've been over the settings so many times my eyes are sore. I've set up so many Networks over the years never a problem; this is the first time not being able to resolve the problem.
The Workgroup is set to MSHOME on both PCs they both have different Computer names no spaces no weird characters, XP Computer name BillsPC the Win 98 Computers name LizsPC, drives are shared on both computers. It's something I'm missing somewhere?
Question: Should both Computers have the same speed Ethernet Cards? The XP NIC Card is a 10/100Mbps and the Win 98 is a 10Mbps card. A bit old could this have anything to do with it?

Thanks bcastner for all your time looking over my mess and help along with it. If you can think of any thing I could be over looking let me know.

I'm going to change the Nic card in the 98 PC if no luck I'll pick up a router and upgrade the 98 PC to XP.
Thanks again
Pcbytz

 

[bcastner]

Hubs are 10 mbs. Half Duplex Devices.
Set in the adapter properties of both cards a Speed of 10 and a Duplex of half.

The rest of your settings seem fine, as long as the IPs on both machines are different.

You will be much happier with the broadband router.

 

[pcbytz]

I should have mention that I have a Netgear 10/100 D104 Dual Speed Hub. So it goes back to if I need to change the 10Mbps Nic card?

But I know your right I think I'll be much happier with a broadband router!!
Thanks
pcbytz

 

[Bl0x]

you need to create a user of the same name and password on the both pcs then set up all shares , printers etc...

 

[pcbytz]

Question for BIOx:

The Pc I'm having trouble accessing is a 98sec edition from the XP machine. Do I need to just create a Network Logon with the same name and password Or do I have to go into the control panel and set up a Windows User account?

I have never had to do this kind of setup with XP to Win98 using NetBEUI as a protocol.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Aberdo]

Your problem is your Firewall software. I have had this problem and it turned out to be the firewall software (Zone Alarm). You could uninstall it, although not the most desired solution in your case. You may want to look into inserting a router that uses NAT, allowing you to remove your firewall software. Or you could look on the manufacturers website to find out how to configure the software to allow them to communicate properly. Good Luck.

 

[bcastner]

This is a simple permissions issue. As has been said, your userlist (with passwords) should match on all machines.