* Netscape and IE sites 4

[TonyU]

[tt]What's the first thing I should do if I want to make a site compatible with Netscape? of course it looks the way I wanted in IE.

I would appreciate your input guys as I'm very new at cross-browser compatability.


Here's my site for IE and it looks horrible with Netscape

http://www.fairfaxcu.org/Index.asp

Thanks in advance.

[tt]"A Successful man is one who can build a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him"[/tt]

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[xutopia]

if you want Netscape 4 compatibility go to

http://www.dansteinman.com/dynduo.

(I recommend not supporting Netscape 4 as it takes too much time and is really a very old browser).

Looks great in my Netscape 6. Gary

http://www.xutopia.com

Haran

 

[TonyU]

[tt]Thanks Gary, I tested the site with N7 and it looked bad, I was missing images, etc...

[tt]"A Successful man is one who can build a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him"[/tt]

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[GUJUm0deL]

well N7 is still getting its buggs tweaked, how does it look in N6?? Is that better?? I have not failed; I merely found 100,000 different ways of not succeding...

 

[xutopia]

Netscape 7 is in beta stage. Which means it is an unfinished product. don't expect it to always work as expected! Gary

http://www.xutopia.com

Haran

 

[mithrilhall]

Looks fine in: Mozilla 1.0
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530

One problem though, your green border on the left looks like it should be moved over to the right a little since the piece on top with the logo looks like it might be over to the right by a few pixels.

I hope that was understandable.

 

[lexus]

Looks fine in Netscape 4.79 as well. Top logo doesn't fit right though as it looks too far over to the right.

It does not, however, pass Accessibility Standards and, therefore, cannot be read with a screen reader that I use to test my sites. To test your sites, go to

http://www.cast.org/bobby

and run them thru the checker there.

US Federal Law states that all federal sites must be accessibile by those with disabilitues (Sectin 508). New York State also has the same law for any agency web sites (they define an agency as anyone who is getting any funding from NYS)...Most states have followed suit. Just FYI..

 

[xutopia]

that law is excellent.

However I don't believe browsers have reached total accordance to the specs set by the w3c that allow such a thing. Gary

http://www.xutopia.com

Haran

 

[lexus]

We have had no problems with compliance on our sites. Just a few things to keep in mind and no problem! BTW, among the many courses I teach is one on Web Site Accessibility!

 

[Dirtrocker]

Maybe the makers of the screen scanners should get together with Macromedia and figure out what the other is doing.

I tried a basic page made with Dreamweaver, nothing fancy or anything and it hammered it about;

Use relative sizing and positioning (% values) rather than absolute (pixels).
Huh? I never use absolute positioning.

The next one it said I had a problem with was this,
Is the user made aware that there will be pop-up windows or changes in the active window?
Yeah, it goes to a page when you click on a link. DUH!
I never use pop up windows. Hate 'em, won't use them.

If scripts create pop-up windows or change the active window, make sure that the user is aware this is happening.
Said it is triggered by the script, that it doesn't check to see what the script does.

If this gif image is animated, make sure it does not contain fast or distracting motion.
Said I had 10 instances. Funny, there were only 7 images on it and none of them were animated.

So someone tell me. If these "evaluation" sites can't get basic things right, then how do you determine when it is what is required or needed?

 

[Wullie]

Dirtrocker,

All of the priority checks you have mentioned make total sense.

If this gif image is animated

If scripts create pop-up windows or change the active window

They are manual checks, that is the whole point. The program cannot possibly know what your script does or if a gif is animated. It is telling you to check them.

Hope this helps
Wullie

sales@freshlookdesign.co.uk

http://www.freshlookdesign.co.uk

http://www.searchit-now.co.uk

 

[Dirtrocker]

OK, I see.
It just seems odd that a site is "grading" webpages and then it faults the page for things that aren't there.

It just seems that alot of these grading sites would prefer nothing but proper positioned text and no images or scripting on the pages.
One of the things it marked was about a page being opened from a link. I got to looking and one of the links, I did put target="blank", so it would seem that is a no-no too.

Just seems like a ton of extra work to go thru.
I'm learning to deal with the webpages. I just put them together and they kind of go from there. The folks tell me when things don't work for them, if they can't find something and then we move it towhere they can find it.
I am just getting to the point where I am understanding alot of it, we are working on the CSS (that is right isn't it?) Style sheets and now there is some thing for disabled folks.
When you take a mechanic and shove him into making webpages, with that little voice going "If you build it, they will come."
What it doesn't tell you is that once they start arriving, they keep right on coming. Then bandwidth, server capacity and programs start to play into it. LOL!

 

[Wullie]

Hi mate,

I am not totally sure about the new window part as it may only be if a script opens the window and not a html action, but you could get round this by adding a title tag telling the user what is happening.

[/code]<A HREF=&quot;

http://www.tek-tips.com&quot;

TITLE=&quot;Open tek-tips in a new window&quot;>Tek-Tips</A>[/code]

Hope this helps Wullie

sales@freshlookdesign.co.uk

http://www.freshlookdesign.co.uk

http://www.searchit-now.co.uk

 

[onpnt]

interesting anology you have there Dirtrocker
When you take a mechanic and shove him into making webpages, with that little voice going &quot;If you build it, they will come.&quot;



I may not get it the 1st or 2nd time,
but how sweet that 15th time can be.
admin@onpntwebdesigns.com

 

[cian]

Hi Dirtrocker,

I had the same problem, I tried one page and it got wiped!
After suffering a nervous breakdown with the thought of all those corrections I realised thats it's simply a checklist of recommended actions to make your pages more accessible!
And it's worth downloading the checklist and going through your sites to see how you can improve them.

Even better is to study these a while and for every new page you build you know what needs to be done! It saves going back later adding alt to images, summary to tables etc etc


É

http://www.endamcg.com/finland-gaa

 

[Dirtrocker]

onpnt,
I'm not sure how to interpret you post.
Is it a good thing or bad thing? (-:

wullie & cian,
So what the page is saying is that every link or image should have an alt or title tag incorporated with it?

 

[onpnt]

Dirtrocker
I didnn't mean that sarcastically in the least.
interesting way to put it.

I may not get it the 1st or 2nd time,
but how sweet that 15th time can be.
admin@onpntwebdesigns.com

 

[Dirtrocker]

Ha ha, I didn't think it was sarcasm, but wasn't sure what to think, so I asked. Thanks for replying.
This site has been a great help to me, I learn all kinds of things just reading thru the posts.
I'm more comfortable with a wrench in my hand, than a keyboard, but I learned what little I know about the website out of necessity.
Problem is, now we seem to be going to bigger servers every couple months. In the process of moving to a new server now, which will hopefully last us until we can make a move to a dedicated server. One of those deals that got out of hand real fast. LOL

 

[cian]

Hi Dirtrocker;

&quot;&quot;So what the page is saying is that every link or image should have an alt or title tag incorporated with it?&quot;&quot;

Yes! &quot;Provide a text equivalent for every non-text element!&quot;

And of course there's many others::

*Ensure that all information conveyed with color is also available without color...
*Clearly identify changes in the natural language of a document's text...
*Organize documents so they may be read without style sheets...
*Until user agents allow users to control flickering, avoid causing the screen to flicker....


The above are Priority 1 issues, the list above is a tiny sample. There are 3 Priorities and different categories under each!

If I remember correctly its basically P1 you HAVE to comply with, P2 recommended and P3 you probably should comply with! I think thats it!




É

http://www.endamcg.com/finland-gaa

 

[lexus]

Ok, this is going to be long-winded but is an answer to several of the above postings!

Wow! I sure opened a can of worms here with the Accessibility issues. But I am glad folks are looking into it. Yes, it may mean some work if you need to redo your site for compliance. But, if you are just beginning to design a site, you should be aware of the issues and build and design your site with the accessibility features in mind.

It really isn't difficult. I don't know what the laws are in other countries but I will repeat what I know here. It is US FEDERAL LAW that all federal agency web sites must be compliant (

http://www.section508.gov

will give you info)..It is also law in NEW YORK STATE for all state agency (including school districts) web sites to be accessibile.

Priority 1 MUST be reached. We strive for Priority 3 as well. New York State and the US Federal Govt. are using the U.S. Section 508 Guidelines for our guidelines.

I use Dreamweaver exclusively now since i can code in various ways. Dreamweaver 4 has an Accessibility Extension that you can download to help you. It can be downloaded from

http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/exchange/extension_detail.jsp?extOid=266562

You probably have to register in order to d/l it.

Macromedia Dreamweaver MX provides the most complete set of tools available for building, editing, and maintaining accessible websites and web applications. Flash MX can also build accessible Flash files.

Macromedia has been at the forfront of building applications that allow for design of accessible sites. You can always go to their web wite and search for Accessibility.

Dirtrocker: It ISN&quot;T a ton of work to go through. Professional site designers realize that we want our sites available to the largest amount of people as possible. We just design our sites with that in mind and the accessibility issues are not a setback at all.

20 percent of the total U.S. population have some type of a disability. I certainly don't want to lose that share of the market if they can't access my web site due to simple editing that I can do!

Thanks for your support, Wullie. Since you are from the UK, your laws are probably different. Anything going on there regarding the accessibility issues and web sites from the governement?
Regards,
Lexus

PS: No, I have NO disabilities, in case anyone was wondering. Unless you count my fanaticism with the Internet since 1993 (if not earlier) as a disability! **Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.**