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[CrystalStart]

Ia "Mascara" word sub product of "Mascarade"?
"When my eyes not mascaraded I look like 12 years old" - is this is a valid saying?

 

[CajunCenturion]

Both mascara and masquerade have their roots in mask.

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[SilentAiche]

Never made that connection - thanks CC!

Tim

 

[Dimandja]

Check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascara

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[Dimandja]

This other site goes a bit further:

"Mascarade : The 'mascarade', was a typical entertainment performed in the time of Carnival. It was danced with masks too, but it was more informal than the ballet. It was always burlesque. Mascarade : Group of masked persons who dances and entertain themselves, especially at the time of the Carnival... The word comes through the italian language from the Arabian word Mascara, meaning scoffing, buffoonery. Mascarade is also the name some Poëtes gave to the verses they composed for the characters in those little dances or ballet."

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[SantaMufasa]

Unfortunately, the author of the above explanation damages her/his believablity when they exhibit verbal disagreement: "Group...dances and entertain themselves..."

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[Thadeus]

Unfortunately, the author of the above explanation damages her/his believablity when they exhibit verbal disagreement: "Group...dances and entertain themselves..."

While I agree Mufasa, it is a shame that correct grammar would move the facts involved into the realm of the more believable. Poor grammarians are no more inclined to present incorrect data than are good grammarians.

~Thadeus

Note: I claim to be neither poor nor good in the grammar school.

 

[CajunCenturion]

Which speaks directly to the purpose of this forum.

The words we use and how we use them often reflect our professionalism. Light-hearted discussions on words, word usage, grammar, and related topics to improve our ability to communicate effectively and help project the right image.

As they say (whoever 'they' is), "Image is everything".

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[CrystalStart]

whoever 'they' is?
Wouldn't that be 'they' "ARE"?

 

[CrystalStart]

'they' is? are? what is going on???

 

[CajunCenturion]

In this case, I am using 'they' as a singular collective noun.

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[RodKnowlton]

Then wouldn't it be "As they says..."?

 

[CajunCenturion]

Depends on where they be from.
:-D

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[SantaMufasa]

Poor grammarians are no more inclined to present incorrect data than are good grammarians.

I would be interested in examining your source on that 'fact', Thaddeus. I would be inclined to believe that someone who is careless with grammar would be more likely to be careless about other aspects of their life than those who are fastidious about grammar.


I take my cue from the airline executive that observed:

When passengers see coffee stains on their tray tables, the message is, "This airline doesn't care about maintenance." That is certainly not the message we want to send to airline passengers.

I feel very much the same way...If one is careless about speech and grammar, how much care will they take with the rest of their message?







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[CrystalStart]

CC,
can I be 'using 'they' as a singular collective noun'?
I suspect it is permissible only for those of your status?;-D

And how about my OQ :

"When my eyes not mascaraded I look like 12 years old" - is this is a valid saying?

 

[CajunCenturion]

CrystalStart - It all depends on the situation. Collective nouns can be tricky. Even in this case, I would've been better off using a plural verb.

With respect to you original question, I don't think it's right. I cannot find a single reference where mascara is defined as a verb. That being said, verbing, that is taking a noun and treating it as a verb, is common in English. It is also known as a solecism. If 'to mascara' is to be treated as a verb, then what would be the proper form of the past tense? I'm not sure, but my instinct is not in favor of the extra 'd' before the standard 'ed'. I"m trying to think of another verb that ends in the letter 'a', but for the moment, I'm at a loss.

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[CajunCenturion]

Some other verbing forms, based on the common noun to verb suffixes (-ate, -ize, -ify) might yield the following neologisms:

mascarated (with a 't')
mascarafied
mascarized



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[tsdragon]

If I simply say it, it sounds fine to just add a "d" to the end of "mascara" to make a past tense, but when you try to spell itk it looks funny. What's wrong with "mascarad" or, possibly, "mascaraed".


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[Thadeus]

SantaMufasa,
[all tongue in cheek]
So I guess we can toss out your entire retort since you can't seem to spell Thadeus correctly. Your lack of care in addressing me is either planned and therefore you are attempting to insult me by not appearing to take the time or it is unplanned and therefore, by your premise, I have to ask, "If one is careless about speech and grammar, how much care will they take with the rest of their message?"
[/all tongue in cheek]

You appear to be viewing this from a place that equates poor grammar with carelessness. I have known way too many people who just can't master grammar or vocabulary, but can master sales, investing, customer service, management, etc. They own restaurants and shops in every town and they are wonderful parents. Holding their sentence structure over them as a way of validating what they have to express, appears to be an easy way out of addressing their message.

Poor grammarians are no more inclined to present incorrect data than are good grammarians.

Fact or not, I'll stand by this opinion. I wouldn't if I felt that poor grammar was just carelessness. So I can appreciate where your argument stems from... I just disagree with your premise.

~Thadeus

 

[CrystalStart]

CC, Tracy,
THANKS so much.

Oh,how true, how true, Thadeus:
I have known way too many people who just can't master grammar or vocabulary, but can master sales, investing, customer service, management, etc. They own restaurants and shops in every town and they are wonderful parents. Holding their sentence structure over them as a way of validating what they have to express, appears to be an easy way out of addressing their message.