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Is it the MB the culprit here? 5

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javierdl

javierdl

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This is the taughest case I've had so far.
The 2 main problems are:

1. Many files cannot be copied during the copying-files part of the setup (right after running "winnt.exe" from the i386 folder (under DOS).

2. And when finally under a different attempt, it succeeds copying all files without a problem...it freezes right when it says: "Setup is starting Windows 2000" (really?!!!) -

The following URL will show you at what stage of the installation of XP and/or 2k the setup stalls/freezes:


At this point I suspect the problem is the mb, because by now I have already moved the HD into my own computer, and successfully installed XP there, but when moving the HD back to its original PC it wouldn't be able to load WinXP (the screen was solid black). I also moved this HD into a third pc, and it didn't work either.
I have also swapped its CDrom with mine, but it keeps giving the same results, so I know now the CDrom was not the problem.
Could it be really te MB the problem here?

Thanks in advance guys :)

JDL

 
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No, the EBD doesn't include that. One of the oversights, but now you know and will add it the next time, right? And deltree, too. Out of windows\command.

Ed Fair
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The xcopy command should have a source and destination. Try the following:

xcopy g: c: /a /h /s /e

If that gives any problems, you might need to use:

xcopy g:\* c: /a /h /s /e

...which depends on the version of xcopy. If you need help creating a bootable floppy, go here:


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I meant to say: "[blue]If you need help creating a bootable floppy with xcopy on it...[/blue]". I realize you already have a boot floppy
 
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cdogg,

It keeps copying ONLY DIRs!
These are the commands I tried:

xcopy g: d: /a /h /e
xcopy g:\* d: /a /h /e
xcopy g:\*.* d: /a /h /e

As soon as it's done it says: 0 files copied (I verified it, it true)

As you may have noticed, I am not using the /s switch. According to the Rxcopy text file it copies directories and subdirectories "except empty ones." Whereas /e does the same thing except that it does copy empty DIRs, it seemed to me they contradict, and since I rather copy the empty DIRs too than not...
Question: once I start the setup, will I have the chance to specify the drive to target (C:), will it chooce it on its own, or will start installing automatically in the drive it is been ran from?
I ask because I thought maybe it would be good to xcopy the files to drive D:, but have Setup install'em in C:
Or should I just xcopy'em to C:?

JDL

 
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I still say the CDROM is corrupt, thats why you cannot install as the installer is not finding the information.
 
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First of all, with 98 you only need to use COPY, not XCOPY
Once C:\ is partitioned and formated, and Scandisked
A:\>
C:
MD 98SETUP
CD 98SETUP
E:\ (use 'current' CDROM Drive letter - do DIR /p to see CAB files)
COPY E:\WIN98\*.* C:\98SETUP /s

(could even turn on Verify, and use the /v switch)
Perhaps your XCOPY woes are from NOT creating a Directory First - to store the Setup files - use MD (make directory)

TT4U

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ooops???
You may need to get back to A:\> to use Command.com's internal COPY command, so just run it from A:\ not E:\ - same syntax.
I use an OEM CD , and don't even fuss witrh floppies - is why I'm uncertain as of late

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FINALLY it is copying the files too!
This time around I just included the "/s switch" ;)
It looks like cdogg was right ;)

Thanks for the advice tt4u too :)

JDL

 
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Ok, now I know for sure the CDrom player was not the problem either ;)
I successfully xcopy all the files (with file verification) from the WinXP CD to the HD, and ran the setup from there.
I must say, after it rebooted and continued, it did from the CD, not from the files in the HD. And it's soon afterwards that it freezes. I guess I should try again but remove the CD on the 2nd phase for it not to continue from the CD but hopefully from the HD (would this work?)
I am attempting the same installation with another computer using the same installation CD, just see what gives. So far it hasn't been able to copy certain files (the same files it couldn't copy in the other pc).

JDL

 
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Fingers are pointing again at the problem PC #1, after successfully installing XP on the 2nd PC. Well, almost completely installed it now. At least it did passed by far the highly freezing part.
The only thing was that the same files were not being able to be copied by Setup from the CD to the HD. But other than that everything seems fine so far.
Could this mean that the problem lies on the CPU? Or the MB?

JDL

 
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So, yes, it did install after all, to the 2nd PC that is.

And I found some interesting info on this "very peculiar" board from Intel.

The following is an excerpt from Intel:

Critical Driver Installation Order! Performance, Device, Driver Problems?

Driver installation order is one of the most crucial issues when talking about overall platform performance. This is especially true for Intel® chipsets. Drivers should always be installed in the order displayed in Table 1 below. The most critical step in the installation order is to install the Intel® Chipset Software Installation Utility (INF) first before all other drivers. Once the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility is properly installed device driver installation order becomes less crucial and will have less impact on system performance.

In all cases, it is advised that a clean operating system load be performed before conducting these driver installations.

More here:

It looks like the above could at least explain why I'm having such a hard time with the graphics card.

Do you guys think the missing board drivers were the reason for not being able to install XP nor 2k?

JDL

 
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I d/l a small PDF (172kb) on your board from here;
a Larger PDF (790kb) is available from Intel here;
and reminded me of an XP install prob on older boards - it has to do with the HAL (Hardware Extraction Layer)

XP needs to be told "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC" during Setup using F5 key -- see;
look for the BOX halfway in the middle of page;
" The Role of the F5 Key and Shutdown Problems"
-----------------------------
When XP is first installed it tries to determine what type of BIOS is available on the computer. Newer systems have what is known as Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) capability. Unfortunately, XP doesn't always recognize a computer BIOS is ACPI capable and doesn't install the support for ACPI. Even more unfortunate is the fact that if ACPI support isn't determined at the initial install it's virtually impossible to correct this at a later time short of reinstalling XP over the top of the previous XP installation. To do so requires changing the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL). The chances of successfully changing a HAL after XP has been installed is pretty close to zilch.

Once you drop the CD in the tray and fire up the computer to install XP, the first thing you'll see at the bottom of the screen is the option to press F6 if you need to install a SCSI or RAID controller. Don't press F6. Press F5 instead. This will take you to a separate menu of Hardware Abstraction Layer's where you can choose an appropriate HAL that supports ACPI. The choices will be:
-----------------------------

maybe some others here know of some other "known issues"
Last known issues page;

BTW - yours is the D815EPEA2 chipset (no onboard video)....whereas the family includes Both the D815EEA2 (Onboard Video) and the D815EPEA2 (No Onboard Video - a Good thing) - there are some other diff as well outlined in the PDFs

TT4U

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Man!
You are amazing TT4U! :)
YOu really made this problem your own.
Thank you so much TT4U.

Ok, tell me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that all I need to do is get into the HAL page by pressing F5, then choose an appropriate HAL that supports ACPI. And then I should be able to install XP, right?

Btw, is it me or it looks like you forgot to include here a list of choices. It says: "The choices will be:" but then you jumped to "the known issues" topic.

JDL

 
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TT4U, unfortunately the F5 key is not doing a thing :(
I don't see anything else on the screen suggesting to open anything, except something about a network by clicking F12.

JDL

 
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Javierdl;
" It says: "The choices will be:" but then you jumped to "the known issues" topic."
That's why I posted the Link to the page, and told you where in the page to easily find the info... Can you not see the Hyperlinks in our Posts? - I just didn't want to eat up too many lines in this already long thread.

"Ok, tell me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that all I need to do is get into the HAL page by pressing F5, then choose an appropriate HAL that supports ACPI. And then I should be able to install XP, right?"
Yes - if everything else is fine - Booting from XP CDROM?...right?

"unfortunately the F5 key is not doing a thing :(
I don't see anything else on the screen suggesting to open anything, except something about a network by clicking F12."
Not good - Are you on a NetworK? you must disconnect all that stuff, and Disable Network Boot in the BIOS - put
1st CDROM, 2nd A:\, 3rd HDD
follow these links;
THe same "boxed" area (ACPI and HAL info) appears in the middle of this page - View the Onscreen Images for XPSetup


TT4U

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Can you not see the Hyperlinks in our Posts?"
correct, I only see this:

... The choices will be:
-----------------------------

maybe some others here know of some other "known issues"

As for the choices I saw at that page, you think I should be choosing:
Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
Applies to a single processor motherboard with single processor ?

Thanks TT4U


 
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