Intel Quad-Core E5345 demanding AMD. 5

[Albion]

I recently made some Spybot boot CD disks which required the Windows Vista AIK. The AIK is separated into downloads of x32/x64 and Intel/AMD. When I downloaded the x64 Intel version to go with my E5345 Intel processor (Dell Precision 490), it errored on me saying that I didn't have the proper processor. When I tried again with the AMD version I was able to install no problems.

I've noticed this behavior in the past (requiring AMD instead of Intel) on the same machine from another piece of software but unfortunately I cannot remember the title. It was this second occurrence that tweaked my curiosity, though.

I thought at first I'd been jipped, but I looked at the processor info in System and it said Intel. I haven't looked at the actual processor yet, but why would Dell commit a game breaking fraud like that?

Has anyone else seen this?

 

[kmcferrin]

I recently made some Spybot boot CD disks which required the Windows Vista AIK. The AIK is separated into downloads of x32/x64 and Intel/AMD. When I downloaded the x64 Intel version to go with my E5345 Intel processor (Dell Precision 490), it errored on me saying that I didn't have the proper processor. When I tried again with the AMD version I was able to install no problems.

There is no such thing as separate Intel/AMD x64. The instruction sets used by CPUs in the Wintel world are:

IA32 (Intel Architecture 32-bit) - This is the 32-bit standard that we've used for a good 20 years now. AMD CPUs are IA32 compatible due to cross-licensing agreements. This is often referred to as "X86".

IA64 (Intel Architecture 64-bit) - This is an Intel-only 64-bit instruction set that was originally developed by Intel and HP to be the replacement for IA32. It is not compatible with IA32 in any way, and the only CPUs that make use of it are the Intel Itanium CPUs.

AMD64 (AMD 64-bit) - This is a set of 64-bit extensions to the old IA32 instruction set that allows CPUs to have 64-bit capability while retaining compatibility with the old IA32 instrction set. This set of extensions was developed by AMD, but were openly published and eventually adopted by Intel. AMD64 is sometimes referred to as "64-bit extended" (as in the original Windows XP release that supported them), and Intel also used to refer to it as "x86-64" to avoid having to admit that they were using AMD developed technology in their CPUs. It is commonly referred to as "x64".

My guess is that you are trying to run Itanium code (IA64) instead of x64 code (AMD64).

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[Albion]

You're right. I assumed that IA64 for 64bit Intel architecture and AMD64 was 64bit AMD architecture. If you look at it, it's an easy assumption to make if your not informed. It sucks because I went through 3 1gig downloads on my 3meg connection before I got the right AIK image.

Thanks for setting me strait.

 

[gbaughma]

Nice explanation, kmcferrin.

Just my 2¢

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[Grenage]

This set of extensions was developed by AMD, but were openly published and eventually adopted by Intel

I believe AMD license their 64 tech to Intel, as Intel do to AMD with their 32 tech. Both companies would be screwed if either broke this symbiotic relationship.

"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into the area" - Major Mike Shearer

 

[BadBigBen]

Grenage,

correct, here it is a bit more distinctly written:

As Intel licenses AMD the right to use the original x86 architecture (upon which AMD's x86-64 is based), these rival companies now rely on each other for 64-bit processor development.

This has led to a case of mutually assured destruction should either company refuse to renew the license. Should such a scenario take place, AMD would no longer be authorized to produce any x86 processors, and Intel would no longer be authorized to produce x86-64 processors, forcing it back to 32-bit x86 architecture.

However, the agreement provides that if one party breaches the agreement it loses all rights to the other party's technology while the other party receives perpetual rights to all licensed technology.

source: Wikipedia x86_64




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[Grenage]

Ah much obliged; Wiki put also it much more eloquently!

"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into the area" - Major Mike Shearer