I have put in new validation on the itemchanged event of a field and in pfc_Validation which works well. But if an existing record is opened which fails the new validation check I am still able to save (as nothing has been changed.) Can someone suggest how I get around this? I could force the field to have been changed on open but then if the user navigates somewhere else the app will ask if they want to save changes, and they have not made any changes! Once again I think I need it on the before_save event but how do I create this event if there is no event_id? Thanks.