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How many will bail on VMware

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cabraun

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Given that they are moving to a licensing policy that punishes those with servers loaded with RAM and high consolidation ratios how many people will turn to Hyper-V or XenServer for their datacenter vitualization needs?

vSphere 5:
Essentials & Essentials + users will have a hard limit of 24GB of vRAM per socket
Standard users will have a soft limit of 24GB of vRAM per socket
Advanced users will be promoted to Enterprise users
Enterprise users will have a soft limit of 32GB of vRAM per socket
Enterprise + users will have a soft limit of 48GB of vRAM per socket

So if you are an Enterprise user with 6 dual socket servers (12 Enterprise licenses) and 128GB RAM in each with and an average of 100GB allocated per host, you have a pooled vRAM capacity of 100 X 6 = 600GB vRAM.

Congratulations, you must purchase 7 more Enterprise licenses at $2900 each (over $20,000) to not be in violation of the EULA.

Or you could purchase 13 Enterprise + licenses for $45,500 and abandon your regular Enterprise licenses.

Thoughts?
 
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There is quite a bit of buzz out there about this subject. a lot of people are REALLY pissed and with good reason. My licensing costs will shoot up 50% because of this. The worst part is that the functionality that you'd expect to coincide with a huge price increase just isn't there with v5. People will bail on VMware in a heartbeat and if they think the virtualization game is won they will be history. It is impossible to justify spending the kind of money that they want when competitors offer 90% of the feature sets at 50-90% of the cost. VMware is excellent technology, but they will get chewed up and spit out if they stick with this model.

I hate all Uppercase... I don't want my groups to seem angry at me all the time! =)
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A lot of people will benefit from the new features in version 5. As memory requirements for guests rise though, then the problems outlined by many will be experienced by all. It seems like they didn't learn from the multicore cpu license debacle.
 
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According to their licensing tool at this moment in time we're using 116% of our vRAM entitlement. We haven't even begun to dent the capacity of our hosts...looks like I'll be brushing up on Xen and/or Hyper-V and hope that they come up to speed with the features of VMware over the next two years because this isn't happening.

I hate all Uppercase... I don't want my groups to seem angry at me all the time! =)
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Also currently if we get a request for a new virtual machine it can be built with no additional cost involved (if linux and assuming the disk space is available), now there could well be the cost of an additional VMWare license if the total RAM allocated exceeds the limit of the current license.

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The vision for this is that you have a "private cloud" and that then you can say exactly how much a given vm guest is costing you of your license. For business that do charge backs, it eliminates a lot of guessing. The only problem with this model is it's numbers don't match the way OS / application tech is currently going with the availablility of more and more physical ram.
 
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It not the license pricing that such a big deal with vmware.

Its the obscene maintenance costs associated with it.

Regardless of this, visualization of windows environments was trending fairly hard towards hyper-v this may speed things up a little bit when peoples mtce is due but I don't think it will change it much.

Non windows workloads is still going to be pretty much dominated by vmware as generally the hardware/software costs of these sorts of systems make the vmware costs+mtce look fairly minor.
 
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Problem is that VMWare spoiled the crap out of everyone with their ESXi free offerings and basically unlimited resource allocation across their versions.

While not happy about the capex increase, this was a necessary move by VMWare... as less processor does much more nowadays.

I don't see a whole lot of bailout on VMWare, their product is simply too solid. Hyper-V is a joke and XenServer is the only real competitor but with minimal market share and experienced engineers .... the problem is that the cost of mass migrations of virtual platforms from VMWare to basically anything else would have far more cost (notice i didn't say price) than simply falling in line with the new licensing / pricing model.

Chris Clancy

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" ... when you can't figure out what the problem is, find out what it isn't.... "

 
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If they would increase the amount of vRAM to CPU allotment then this wouldn't be such a big deal, but they are pulling numbers from machines that were the norm two years ago.

As for VMware being solid, it doesn't matter how solid it is if the person writing the check won't pay for it and I don't expect them to. The main problem is that they have just violated my trust so how am I to believe that they won't try and pull this crap again down the road? I will put my Tier 1 apps on VMware and everything else will go on Xen.

VMware can take their POS VCP4 back from me and they can go straight to...well, you get the picture.

I hate all Uppercase... I don't want my groups to seem angry at me all the time! =)
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Looks like VMWare is softening their stance.... essentially doubling vRAM entitlements per proc purchase and capping any single VM at 96GB vRAM usage despite being allocated more.

Chris Clancy

VCAP-DCD #318
MCITP: Enterprise Messaging
MCITP: Server Administrator

" ... when you can't figure out what the problem is, find out what it isn't.... "
 
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