During my latest snafu,sound card upgrade,Ive had all sorts of problems but I think I have finally got to the root of them all.If I start in safe mode device manager shows 4 devices that dont show up in regular mode.These devices are associated with my old sound card which I thought I unistalled,when I try to delete these items it wont let me,it says they are part of a parent device.How do I say "SCREW YOU" to device manager and do what I want?By the way none of these devices are the "parent",I even reinstalled the old card so I could delete the main mamma thinking that might do it,no such luck,thats how I ended up with 4 devices I cant get rid of instead of the original 2!You guys have helped me out of much deeper holes than this,so dont be shy.