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Hosting VFP web app

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aharrisreid

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Nov 17, 2000
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I am investigating various ways of accessing and maintaining Fox data via dynamic web pages. My preferred solution would be to use the FoxWeb ISAPI server (take a look at the new version 2.0 - it's brilliant!) and script/prg files using a mixture of HTML and Fox code.

My problem is finding a company that will host such a site for a reasonable fee. It appears no site will entertain the idea unless I hire a dedicated server, for which the going rate here in the UK is around 250GBP (360USD) per month! That's pretty steep for a small UK business venturing out on its first web-site!

Another solution (which I would prefer) is to host the server myself and get a static IP address which the ISP could use to direct web-page requests to my server. The problem here is the communications line. Here in the UK we only have ASDL (broadband), but that is not yet available in my area (British Telecom says it's coming soon, but cannot say when). We have ISDN (128k), but this is very expensive to keep permanently connected. Is ISDN or ASDL suitable for hosting a small site?

A more econimical solution (though not my favoured one) may be to use shared hosting using ASP pages with VFP COM objects. The companies I have contacted so far all support ASP, but only accessing VFP tables via ODBC, which means I can't use the power of VFP. It seems they are only interested in Access or mySQL. The response so far has been "if you want to use shared hosting you cannot supply any executables or .dll files which have to be registered, as this may impact on other sites running on the same machine." AFAIK VFP COM objects have to be registered (including the VFP runtime files?). Is there any way around this problem, or are we back to dedicated or self-hosting?

So what's the best way to go about this? I would especially like to hear of UK users experiences and/or recommendations. I am not averse to hosting via a non-UK site (and I am willing to be persuaded that I needn't worry), it's just that I feel more comfortable not having to phone 'across the pond' if I need support.

Any help would be appreciated.

Alan Harris-Reid
 
Alan

Can't offer any help, but can offer moral support.

Went through a similar exercise just recently with similar conclusions.

Another solution (which I would prefer) is to host the server myself and get a static IP address which the ISP could use to direct web-page requests to my server.

Have a feeling that will be your eventual solution.

Chris :)
 
We use ISDN here in the UK (64k, for web browsing, etc.), with the line connected most of the day, using Surftime. Costs about 60 pounds/month. Soon, our ISP will offer always-on ISDN at 120 pounds/month. Certainly a lot cheaper than paying local call charges!
 
Chris, thanks for the reply.

>Can't offer any help, but can offer moral support.

Thanks, I need it at the moment. Here I am with the best database development product on the planet, and I can't get it on the web without a) tons of dosh and b) clearing numerous hurdles that keep appearing in front of me <:-(>

>Went through a similar exercise just recently with similar conclusions.<

So what did you do in the end, scrap the idea completely?

Regards,
Alan
 
VineMicros, thanks for the reply.

>We use ISDN here in the UK (64k, for web browsing, etc.), with the line connected most of the day, using Surftime. Costs about 60 pounds/month. Soon, our ISP will offer always-on ISDN at 120 pounds/month. Certainly a lot cheaper than paying local call charges!<

Unfortunately I was referring to hosting a site, not accessing other sites via. the web. Is it possible to host a site over ISDN? I have been told that it's virtually impossible since ISDN is still essentially a 'dial-up access' system, which provides a different IP everytime someone accesses your web address. Please fill me in if you know more.

>Soon, our ISP will offer always-on ISDN at 120 pounds/month.<

Who is this ISP? Can you give me telephone or web contact details?

Regards,
Alan
 
Alan

So what did you do in the end, scrap the idea completely?

Put in on the backburner until such time as a practical solution emerges.

Chris :)
 
you mentioned the issue of using static IP. I used to work for Demon Internet (uk based) and when i was there they only used static ip on all lines whether leased or dialup. If you haven't already, try them, their people know what they're doing and may be able to suggest a solution. What about a cable connection e.g. blue yonder this would probably allow you to host your own server and as you are permanently connected you would have a static i.p., do you have cable in your area?
 
Chris,

>>So what did you do in the end, scrap the idea completely?<<

>Put in on the backburner until such time as a practical solution emerges.<

Should you pick it up again, please get in touch - I may have a solution in place by then!

Regards,
Alan
 
Oublie, thanks for reply.

You mentioned the issue of using static IP. I used to work for Demon Internet (uk based) and when i was there they only used static ip on all lines whether leased or dialup. If you haven't already, try them,<

Good idea, I will.

>do you have cable in your area?<

Not yet. I am in the south-west of England, halfway between Exeter and Plymouth. The best we have at the moment is ISDN.

Regards,
Alan
 
Alan

Should you pick it up again, please get in touch - I may have a solution in place by then!

Perhaps we could try and round up a few UK FoxPro developers with the same problem and see if we could find a cooperative solution?

Chris :)
 
Chris,

>Perhaps we could try and round up a few UK FoxPro developers with the same problem and see if we could find a cooperative solution?<

Good idea, but where do we start?

Alan
 
Alan,Chris,

My company is just thinking about possibly writing VFP web app....

Did either of you work out a solution to this problem?

Thanks,

Stewart
 
Here is my company site that is run totally of dynamic paging using Active FoxPages (afp)


Password changes from time to time so if you want to test it out contact me and I'll give you the username and password.

sometime in late Feb 2002, we will have 3 servers running Active fox the addresses will be changed to:


David W. Grewe
Dave@internationalbid.com
 
Point of view from the Netherlands

In the Netherlands there are also no ISP's that support registering .dll’s or .exe’s. And you also get dynamic IP-address.

A possible solution get a domain-name with some space (5 mb for 15 euro a month). Host a main page in html with some JavaScript, write something that reads out a text document with the IP address from your web server and re-direct the users from that site to your own server pages. On your server you have to write something that updates the text file with FTP with your dynamical IP-address each time you get a new one.

I hope you can do something with this kind of approach,

Charl
 
StewartUK,

>>My company is just thinking about possibly writing VFP web app....

Did either of you work out a solution to this problem?<<

Not yet, and until broadband is available in my area I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Fortunately I have recently been working for a telecomms company who have their own web servers with static IPs, and have just completed a VFP7 and Foxweb-based web site that is working extremely well (ie. fast and stable).

If you need any more information or help regarding developing VFP apps for the web, feel free to let me know.

Regards,
Alan Harris-Reid
blinedata@cs.com
 
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