HDD Install Nightmare

[muthabored]

Hello to all...

I'm attempting to install and additional HDD (80GB Maxtor DiamondMax Plus)into my Dell Dimension 4300. I already have a 40GB Western Digital HDD installed, running Windows XP Home. I don't want to have to re-install the OS and my apps so I have Symantec Ghost 2003 to assist me with this (OR I could use the utility that came with my new HDD). First, I've already formatted the 80GB drive...Second, HOW do I connect the two drives so that I can take the image off of the 40GB and put it on the 80GB? Are there any changes in the BIOS that I have to make? I tried connecting both to the same cable on the same IDE channel but that didn't work (now, for some reason, when I remove the 80GB HDD from the cable and attempt to boot from my 40GB my PC hangs during the boot process and either says it can't find the primary drive OR it goes into setup. When I escape from the BIOS, THAt is when it boots into my OS). If I'm not mistaken, I thought that my Ghost CD was bootable (or do I need to boot from a Windows 98 boot diskette and run the Ghost program from there?). What steps am I missing?

 

[wolluf]

Don't you need a Ghost boot floppy to write the image? (haven't used ghost in a while & have never tried writing image to CD, so may be wrong here).

On the 2 drives - can only suggest you check the jumpers (ie, that you've got one as master and one as slave or both as cable select. If master/slave, check the master hasn't got a different jumper setting when there is a slave present. Also, assuming 80 pin cable, you've got master connected to end, slave to middle connector).

Bios boot sequence is correct?

 

[muthabored]

To make the Ghost boot floppy, I'd use the Ghost CD?
So if I have both on the same cable (Primary IDE 0) they can both be on cable select? In the BIOS, my HDD is set to boot first. Right now I only have the 40GB drive connected and it's on cable select. That's what it was on before but I'm not sure what I've done because everytime I attempt to boot up I receive:
Primary Hard Disk Drive 1 not found. Strike F1 key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility.

When I select ESC, Windows XP boots. Still trying to figure this out.

 

[wolluf]

To make the ghost boot floppy, you'd run ghost utilities then ghost boot wizard in windows.

Try changing single drive to master (and make sure its attached to end connector).

 

[bcastner]

Next time hit F2 and go into the BIOS and review all the IDE device settings. Then save your changes.

 

[muthabored]

When I saw this message, I selected F2 and went into the BIOS. The 40GB HDD shows up on Primary 0 (I had the 80GB drive disconnected). It's weird because when I boot up and see the message at the BIOS screen (Primary Hard Disk Drive 1 not found. Strike F1 key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility) and I select F1 I either get nothing or it boots into Windows XP home. I don't understand how adding another drive to the cable (as the slave) would make this happen. Thanks for your replies, guys.

 

[Dreamland]

muthabored - no floppies necessary if the CD is bootable - try it. Some were and some were not. Same program either way and saves you the trouble of making the floppy.

The wierd things happening in your BIOS often have no effect on XP. After the BIOS hands off booting to the XP loader, XP ignores the BIOS for further drive information, looks for the devices in boot.ini first and eventually just scans your system for drive information itself as it starts. This isn't how you want it set up, it's just the reason why XP seems to have a mind of it's own.

And just a thought about the drive problem and a comment wolluf made - you *must* use the newer 80 conductor ribbon cable for cable select to work. It will not work on the old 40-conductor cables. At any rate, if your BIOS autodetect or drives are having any sort of trouble with it, then just don't use cable select at all. Change both drives jumpers to the appropriate master/slave settings.

 

[VMPhilosophy]

Usually a "Primary Hard Disk Drive 1 not found" error means that the 2nd drive was detected but now is not present. drive 0 is your main drive. the original drive inside your machine may have to be re jumpered. some hard drives have a "master with no slave present" setting. if this is how your master drive is set it wont recognize a slave correctly no matter what. you may have to rejumper it with a "master with slave present" setting.

"Did you ever wish a circle was a square, so when land sharks start circling the boarders you can just cut them off at the corners?" - Aesop Rock

 

[muthabored]

I see. It's just annoying to have to see that message each time I either shut down or restart my PC...it tells me that the disk could not be found and to either select F1 to continue or F2 to enter the setup. If I select F1, it boots right into XP.

 

[bcastner]

muthabored,

Pull out the CMOS battery for two minutes. Put it back. Reset your BIOS settings.

 

[muthabored]

Flashing?

 

[YoMax]

There is something in the win2k registry about "mounted drives" or similar. I am running win98 here, so can't look it up. Anyway I was at work and tried to test a questionable drive out by adding it to my system. It ended up changing my C: drive to the E: drive, and after I took the other drive out, Windows2k kept that setting (even though the bios found it correctly. The fix was in a Microsoft KB article; you had to find a registry key and change the virtual mounted device key info. Wish I had more time to remember this but maybe this will put you on the right track.

 

[bcastner]

YoMax,

Were you thinking of this?

http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...rt/kb/articles/Q223/1/88.ASP&NoWebContent=1#2

Somehow I do not think this is applicable in muthabored's situation.

 

[YoMax]

Yes bcaster, that is the exact article I was thinking of. It seemed related in some fashion :-( but maybe not.

 

[kshugart]

The problem so far as I have read is; you have a WD 40GB on the primary ids channel, is this correct? s there another drive on the sam channel? if not, make sure you have the jumpers set properly, (that is for a master/single)no jumpers. If there are two drives on the primary, then the WD needs to be set in the center or as indicated ion the label. Is the Maxtor connected to the primary ids channel?
Is it master or slave?

The MB bios won't see the drive if not set properly.

Question on the Maxtor 80GB drive, is it connected to the secondary ide channel? If so, is it master or slave? Is the CD on the secondary? Is it master or slave?

Try this:
WD40 on primary as master.
Max80 on primary as slave.
CD on secondary as slave.

This should work.

Klon Shugart
Data Recovery Specialist
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