Getting page 1 to print correctly

[In2Fun]

I am creating a booklet that is set to "Letter - Half" "Width: 5.5 in" "Height: 8.5 in". Pages 2 & 3 print correctly on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet with page 2 printing on the left side of the sheet and page 3 printing on the right side of the sheet. My problem is that no matter what I try, I can't get page 1 to print on the right side of the sheet. It always prints on the left. Since I'll be folding the booklet, that would put page 1 (the cover) on the back cover. Any ideas?

Mandy

 

[jimoblak]

You need imposition software such as InBooklet from alap.com

Or you simply need to layout your 4-page booklet on a 2 sheet InDesign document.

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[In2Fun]

Can you explain "2 sheet InDesign Document"? I just tried deleting the lone first page in the "pages palette" and moved my cover text to page 2, leaving page 1 for my back cover text. Is that what you mean or is there a better way?

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Mandy
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[jimoblak]

2 sheets in InDesign mean you will manually impose your 4 page booklet on 2 sides of a single sheet of paper.

Perhaps if you explain how you accomplished this in other design programs, it will be easier to translate/explain how this is done in InDesign.

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[tad1952]

Insert a blank page in front of page 1. Page 1 will change to page 2 so you will have to tell the page to start a new section with the numbering starting at page 1 so you'll have "blank page, page 1, page 2, page 3".

Now when you print, the blank with print on the left of your 8-1/2 x 11 page & pages 2 & 3 will print left and right on the same page.

 

[In2Fun]

Thanks guys.

I went ahead and got InBooklet and it works perfectly. It's better than manually trying to figure out where each page should be placed in a layout that will ultimately be quite a few pages.

It's going to be an employee policy manual and I'm just going to print them on a color laser printer, stack them, and then fold them and staple in the middle of the crease.

It's odd that Adobe wouldn't include this functionality in InDesign but maybe in a future version.

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Mandy
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[jimoblak]

It's odd that Adobe wouldn't include this functionality in InDesign but maybe in a future version.

Adobe took some heat for this with ID2 because it was functionality in PageMaker, a lesser application.

ID2 includes a booklet script on the installation CD but it pales in what InBooklet can do.

IDCS offers a 'SE' (special edition) version of InBooklet if you buy it with the PageMaker plugin pack.

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[xavstone]

Just to throw in my two penneth. The fact that indesign hasnt covered this VERY NECESSARY feature sucks!!!!

Adobe employees if any of you guys ever read this, feel ashamed, do what you should do and release a free update...

 

[MarcusStringer]

Just to throw in my two penneth. The fact that indesign hasnt covered this VERY NECESSARY feature sucks!!!!

Maybe it because they think that if you are trying to impose something, then you will sending it to a print shop, which in that case you shouldn't be imposing anything anyway, because there is nothing more frustrating (having worked for a printers) then getting files from clients you have had a crack at imposing their work. When We (printers) have very expensive imposing software which will do what we want, according to our presses and folder etc etc.

the best thing that people can do is to set the file up without trying to impose it. I.E

page1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 instead of 1,9,2,8,3,7 etc


Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[xavstone]

Noted, but the amount of queries, on this forum alone, about the lack of this feature is testiment to the popularity of digital printing. Adobe must be aware of this boom.

We have just bought a xerox 7750 to produce short run documentation, with savings likely to run into the tens of thousands. Some of which is now being absorbed by creative trying to work out how to automate the back page onto the front sheet :/

Looks like the software people can't keep up with the hardware people for a change!!

 

[jimoblak]

Just to throw in my two penneth. The fact that indesign hasnt covered this VERY NECESSARY feature sucks!!!!

If you read this thread, you would have seen see that they have definitely covered this VERY NECESSARY feature. It is part of the Pagemaker Plugin Pack. If you do not want to pay $49 for this feature, you can also go to Adobe's web site (

http://studio.adobe.com)

and choose from several scripts for free. (I prefer the full version of InBooklet from alap.com)

Here is my favorite free booklet script...

If you have InDesign CS or greater, copy the following code to a new text file and save as 'booklet.js' in 'InDesign CS Program folder\Presets\Scripts'. Then execute from the Scripts palette in InDesign.

//DESCRIPTION: Shuffles pages for booklet printing

/*
 Written by Dave Saunders
 Latest Revision: March 11, 2005
 Copyright ©2005 PDS Associates
 */

// This version is derived from earlier versions posted often on the Adobe U2U forum

if (app.documents.length == 0) {
 alert("There are no open documents.");
 exit();
}

// Make sure that the pages are a multiple of four

myPages = app.documents[0].pages;
if (myPages.length % 4 != 0) {
 alert("Document length isn't a multiple of four.");
 exit();
}

// Document is suitable for converting to a booklet

/*
 Before proceeding, check to see if document needs to be saved
 */
if (app.documents[0].modified) {
 if (confirm("Document has unsaved changes. Click OK to save them and proceed.")){
  app.documents[0].save(app.documents[0].fullName);
 } else {
  exit();
 }
}

// Some trickiness to get a copy of the document opened

app.userInteractionLevel = UserInteractionLevels.neverInteract;

myFN = app.documents[0].fullName;
myName = app.documents[0].name;
for (n=0; 1000>n; n++) {
 myTN = app.documents[0].filePath + "/" + myName.split(".indd")[0] + String(n) + ".indt";
 if (File(myTN).exists) { continue } // Template already exists, try another name
 app.documents[0].save(File(myTN),true); // Save as template
 app.documents[0].close();
 app.open(File(myTN)); // Open another untitled copy
 File(myTN).remove();
 break; // This loop will drop through if you already have 1000 template files with the same
        // name as your document with 0 - 999 as postfix; This is highly unlikely, but if it does
        // happen, I just go ahead and work on the original; the only warning will be that the
        // booklet document won't be untitled; it'll have the same name as your original document.
}

app.userInteractionLevel = UserInteractionLevels.interactWithAll;

app.documents[0].documentPreferences.allowPageShuffle = false;

for (i=0; myPages.length > i; i++) {
 origSection = myPages[i].appliedSection;
 origNumbering = origSection.pageNumberStyle;
 origSection.pageNumberStyle = PageNumberStyle.arabic;
 pageName = myPages[i].name;
 sectName = origSection.name;
 if (sectName != "") {
  pageName = pageName.split(sectName)[1];
 }
 pageNo = Number(pageName);
newSection = app.documents[0].sections.add(undefined, undefined, {pageStart:app.documents[0].pages[i], continueNumbering:false, pageNumberStart:pageNo, pageNumberStyle:origNumbering, marker: origSection.marker, name: origSection.name});
 origSection.pageNumberStyle = origNumbering;
}
app.documents[0].documentPreferences.allowPageShuffle = true;

for (i=0; (myPages.length/2)>i; i++){
 if (i % 2 == 0) {
  app.documents[0].pages[myPages.length - 1].move(LocationOptions.before,app.documents[0].pages[i*2],BindingOptions.leftAlign);
 } else {
  app.documents[0].pages[myPages.length - 1].move(LocationOptions.after,app.documents[0].pages[i*2],BindingOptions.rightAlign);
 }
}

// Just in case the shuffling has affected the position of a text-wrapped group:

app.activeDocument.textPreferences.zOrderTextWrap = !app.activeDocument.textPreferences.zOrderTextWrap;
app.activeDocument.textPreferences.zOrderTextWrap = !app.activeDocument.textPreferences.zOrderTextWrap;

Adobe employees if any of you guys ever read this, feel ashamed, do what you should do and release a free update...

There is no need to address Adobe staff here or even in

http://www.adobeforums.com

as these are all user-to-user forums. You can contact Adobe and make feature requests at their web site.

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@622.AXwBeFTFavv.1612114@.ef9af17

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[xavstone]

Thanks picklefish (i mean jimoblak),

I installed the script and, aside from a few minor glitches with bleed and artwork that spans spreads, it works very very well. Goes to show that beating your fists randomnly does work sometimes

I can see why you would want InBooklet for larger documents, and as a tip for anyone using this script, dont assume from the first few pages that it has worked perfectly, it will still need a good proofing.

Thanks again pick..jimoblak