Dual LAN - what is it. Are they interchangeable.

[oldcorn]

Asus A7N8X de luxe has dual LAN . Having trouble with two PCs connected by crossover cable. Files will transfer but the client PC will not connect to the internet through the HostPC, says 'Network cable unplugged' but not true.
Are the two LAN sockets the same? XP Home on both. Done the Network setup Wizard.

 

[bcastner]

Are you using a cross-over cable between the two PCs? You have to, a regular patch cable will not work.

 

[pansophic]

And are you doing IP Forwarding with NAT?


pansophic

 

[oldcorn]

Yes,it is a crossover cable. Files transfer from the Host to No 2 PC and vice versa.
The host dials out OK but No 2 PC says Network Cable Unplugged.
There are 2 RJ-45 LAN sockets on the A7N8X de luxe motherboard. Does it matter which is used?
Do not understand the second question. As far as I know the IP addresses are automatically set by the Network Stup Wizard in XP Home.

 

[manarth]

go to "My Network Places" --> "View Network Connections" --> rightclick the Internet connection, select properties --> go to the advanced tab --> make sure the checkbox "Share this connection" is checked.
(This is the IP forwarding with NAT that pansophic mentioned: known on Windows machines as ICS - Internet Connection Sharing)

To answer one of your questions - it doesn't matter which of the LAN ports you plug each one into.

If you're still not getting any joy, go to each machine and use the command "ipconfig /all" and post the output (as per the example below).
[tt]
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : host1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WorkGroup
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA Networking Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-00-00-00-00
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 19 June 2003 07:54:52
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 19 June 2003 08:24:52

C:\>[/tt]

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[oldcorn]

I have the ipconfig for both PCs plus screenshots of network connections. Can I post all?

 

[manarth]

go for it...post all you like.

it helps to use TGML to make things more readable.

e.g.
[ignore][/ignore] blue text [ignore][/ignore]
[ignore][tt][/ignore] [/tt] monospaced font - good for code / dos outputs [/tt] [ignore][/tt][/ignore]

for more TGML - click the &quot;Process TGML&quot; link (just above the &quot;Submit post&quot; button).

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[oldcorn]

The PC uses AOL and ISDN. The 'share this connection' check box is not available.If I rt click the Internet connection icon and then Properties it does not open Properties. Is this an AOL thing?

Below is the IP config and screenshot for the Host PC.



Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : anne2
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : ASUSTeK/Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller
ted Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-18-AF-A5-C6
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :




And the No 2 PC


Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : computername
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Control
ler
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-6E-3D-38-31

Ethernet adapter Network Bridge (Network Bridge) 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : mshome.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : MAC Bridge Miniport
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 62-C8-CC-45-78-E1
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.85
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 19 June 2003 09:31:37
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 26 June 2003 09:31:37

PPP adapter {CBFD6B17-48B9-4F71-9B5C-4D7ED7429524}:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.186.56.140
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 172.186.56.140
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 195.93.50.134
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled


I put in the commands for blue script but it is not blue at this end.

The screen prints would not copy/paste(for me)

The Host Network Connections screen shows
1 Dial Up
AOL-Dial-on-Demand
disconnected

2 LAN or High-Speed Internet
Enabled


The No 2 PC Network Connections screen shows
1 Dial Up
AOL Dial-ON-Demand feature...
Disconnected

2 Internet Gateway
AOL Dial-On-Demand feature...
Disconnected.

3 LAN or High-Speed Internet
Local Area Connection 2
Network cable Unplugged
NVIDIA nforceMCP Networking...

4 Network Bridge
a 1394 Connection
Enabled, bridged.
1394 net adaptor

b Local Area Connection
Enabled,bridged.
3Com3C9208-EMB Integrated.

C Network Bridge(Network Bridge)
2
Enabled


I have disabled the ISDN/modem stuff in PC2 and run through the Network Set Up Wizaed again but it comes back to 'cable unplugged' which is the puzzle.

 

[manarth]

Ah. AOL.

You CANNOT share an AOL connection using Windows ICS.
It's not compatible! (unfortunately)

You'll need to find yourself some routing software which is AOL compatible - I'm afraid I can't think of any offhand to recommend....

Your best bet is to Google &quot;internet connection sharing aol routing software&quot; (without quotes!)

1 link looks particularly worthwhile:

http://www.orbitsat.com/Orbitnet/product_technology.htm#15

&quot;Works with any ISP, including AOL&quot;


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[oldcorn]

Thanks.Didn't think it was hardware. Big help. Will look up some routing software. (And practise some TGML)

 

[Rumata]

i recomend

http://www.analogx.com

they have a proxi software, it works with any dial up, cable, xdsl and others. just go to network section and you will find it

 

[oldcorn]

Thanks everyone.

This mobo has 2 LAN ports. One says NVidia and the other 3Com. Any special reason for this or are they just spreading the business around.

And why are there 2 ports? Is there a need? Under what circumstances would both be used?

Does AOL have a solution or are they uninterested?

 

[Grenage]

1) Can't be sure, don't know the board

2) Adapter teaming I imagine, it allows you to use both at the same time, or on different domains etc.

3) I imagine it is AOL who impose the way it is now. Why have 2 computers connected on the internet with 1 account, when they can get 2 computers with 2 accounts.

 

[manarth]

If I remember the board right, one's a 10/100 port, and the other's a fast 1Gbps port.
This may also explain the difference in companies.
Why the need? multi-homing / routing - you're not the only one to want to do this!

Grenage - re point 3, the main problem is that the AOL software isn't compatible with Windows ICS. To be fair, most of AOL's users aren't technically inclined - they want an intuitive easy to use service (on one computer at a time).

It can be networked, you just have to find the right software.

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[oldcorn]

Am I right in thinking that Networking is a separate entity from Internet Connection and Internet Connection Sharing?

It seems that the Network side is OK. Files (and Printers?) are accessible across both PC.

It is the line from the Host pc through the ISP to the outside world (the internet) that is the problem. And the inability of networked pcs to access this line without additional software.

Probably not worth the added complication of a proxy program.

 

[manarth]

no no - &quot;networking&quot; refers to ANY sort of networking, be it a local network, managing your connection to your ISP, the internet, connection sharing - the whole kit and caboodle.

It all runs on TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol and Internet Protocol). Google the terms TCP/IP and Arpanet to get some background on current networking.

Most local networks these days operate around the Ethernet standard (cat 5 cables) - usually at 10 Mbps (10-base) or 100Mbps (100-base).

Dialup is obviously a conventional modem system.

Although they're seperate connection systems, they have TCP/IP in common. Another area of study related to this is the OSI model (again - google the term for hundreds of hits!)

basically, your local network is a seperate network to your internet - you need something between the 2 to get them to talk. Windows ICS does this for most ISPs (but not AOL), or you can purchase a hardware router to do the job (again, make sure it's AOL compatible).

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[oldcorn]

So its Local Networking that is independent of the rest then. I wouldn't need a telephone line,modem,ISP etc.

Admittedly a limited facility

 

[oldcorn]

Thank you everyone for your help. I have learnt a lot. Will noww google OSI.