Well you obviously have alot more time on your hands than I do, I have been trying to find out about ultradev and have even asked macromedia newsgroups but I didnt get a very clear answer. However, at least they were professional and friendly about it. Your obviously a computing god who can speak to anyone as he pleases. Im a specialist in my own area and its not ultradev. But I do apologise! There are some questions posed on this site, that I think are very easy to answer but I dont be an asshole about it and try to help the best I can. So you can ban me from this site cos I dont give a flying f*ck.