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Dreaming....

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gbaughma

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Since the "Never Ending Story 2" thread is starting to get back on track, I figured I'd start a new thread continuing the topic about dreaming started in *that* thread.

To understand dreams, one must understand how the brain works. (this is my understanding of how things work, and how dreams are actually a "by-product" of those functions).

This also addresses problems with learning-disabled people... so read on, and become edumacated. ;)

When we are awake, our "short term memory" is chemical in nature. Things that we learn or hear or see throughout the day are stored chemically. This chemical bond (in normal people) lasts about 12-16 hours before the chemicals start to break down.

When we sleep, our brain does a "maintenance", evaluating the chemically stored information, and forming permanent synapses for things that it deems "important".

With someone who is learning disabled, this chemical bond is shorter (say, 6 or 8 hours). If the person doesn't sleep within that amount of time, those chemical memories break down, and the information isn't committed to synaptic memory. This is why learning-disabled or people with short chemical memory do *much* better in evening classes, where they can get the information, then go home and go to bed and process it. (This would also justify taking a "nap" in the middle of your school day.... but I'm getting off subject).

Well, dreaming is a by-product of that maintenance process. Your brain creates synaptic junctions based on the chemical storage throughout the day, then "tests" the new synapses. The by-product of this process is dreaming. Because of the very nature of the process, your dreams can be obtuse, as your brain pieces together the synaptic junctions; or seemingly unrelated, as your brain is processing the seemingly inconsequential memories throughout the day.

It's funny how fast your brain works during all of this, too... your longest dreams only last about 6 to 8 seconds (no matter how long they seemed), partially because your brain processes so fast, that you're getting a "fast foward" version of the dream while you're dreaming, but when you recall the dream later, you're remembering it in normal speed.

Additionally, I've had dreams where there has been a sound or something happen around me, and it has been "seamlessly" integrated with the dream. Ever had the phone ring while you've been dreaming, and the phone ringing integrates with your dream? I have... it's bizarre... when I wake up, I have to wait for the second ring to verify that it was *actually* ringing.

Dreams aren't just visual either... your brain processes and stores all of your senses. I've "smelled" things in my dreams, felt them, seen them, heard them, tasted them.

If you are one of those folks that has problems remembering what you learned the morning before, you may have a limited chemical storage time in your brain. Try taking a nap for a half-hour in the middle of the day (if you're a college student, schedule a break between the morning and afternoon classes), and you'll find that your retention of data is *much* more complete.



Just my 2¢

"In order to start solving a problem, one must first identify its owner." --Me
--Greg
 
Really, I can't imagine people deliberately finding Sustiva for recreational purposes. It is expensive, and is unusual and has - so far - a rather singular perscriptive intent.

Hmmmmm...gee, I have advanced AIDS and I kinda want to have groovy funky sexual dreams....I don't know....seems very very weird to me. As far as I can find out, while it is true such dream effects have been noted, there are no recreational uses. Well, of course that is not saying much. Some friend of someone taking Sustiva may have heard of the effect and sneaked some to try.

Now THAT would be very strange. Thanks, but I think I will avoid all medication that is HIV/AIDS related. This area is still so hit and miss that I am not sure anyone knows what would be the effect on someone without HIV.

As an aside, I actually had a crash night last night, and had a lucid dream. Walking down a street with someone, getting into a car and turning to them and saying..."I am dreaming! I wonder if I say this, will I wake up?" I didn't. Very odd.

Gerry
My paintings and sculpture
 
Really, I can't imagine people deliberately finding Sustiva for recreational purposes.

Neither can I. If you want to have vivid dreams, it seems much cheaper and easier just to eat a Jalapeno pepper pizza and watch a horror movie before going to bed. Works fairly well for me. Man, I had some truly wierd dreams after watching "The Ring"!






I used to rock and roll every night and party every day. Then it was every other day. Now I'm lucky if I can find 30 minutes a week in which to get funky. - Homer Simpson

Arrrr, mateys! Ye needs ta be preparin' yerselves fer Talk Like a Pirate Day! Ye has a choice: talk like a pira
 

Have you ever read a list of ingredients for a drug like Meth, or CAT? ... and you "can't imagine" people using sustiva for recreational purposes? Really? People will smoke, snort, inject, insert, or otherwise ingest or input nearly anything without any regard for their own well-being. I've heard of people injecting kentucky sourmash whiskey directly into their bloodstreams. (I know, infection, right?) If you think people won't find a way to use and abuse [small]ANY[/small] substance, then I think you may be a touch naïve.

--Gooser
 
The MiG-25 was known as "The Flying Restaurant" in the Soviet Air Force, because it used pure alcohol for its cooling and braking systems. Purer, in fact, than the distilled vodka made for human consumption. It always drew a crowd wherever it went, and not just because it broke several speed records. The tanker-support vehicles for it were just as popular.

Regulations to the contrary notwithstanding (there's that word again!), it amazed me to learn what Red Army soldiers would do for a buzz -- one example was spreading shoe polish onto bread, so the alcohol in the polish would soak into it, and eating the bread (after scraping off the polish).

Feles mala! Cur cista non uteris? Stramentum novum in ea posui!

 
Gooser said:
I've heard of people injecting kentucky sourmash whiskey directly into their bloodstreams.

Maybe we are just more innocent here, but generally here people try to snort neat vodka (in one nostril up a straw). Sometimes there is a small side effect of temporary blindness in one or both eyes (10 minutes or so), but I'm assured that the reason to do thi at all is to avoid first pass metabolism. If alcohol avoids your liver, then you get drunk on less (same as s/l drugs are a lower dose than ingested tablets) and also your liver does not go on to produce ethanoic acid and therefore you get much less of a hangover.

Its a long time since I studied, so I apologise if my science is a bit jaded!

Fee

The question should be [red]Is it worth trying to do?[/red] not [blue] Can it be done?[/blue]
 
Gooser...I really wish you would read posts...slowly, deliberately, and with actual thoughts about what the words are.

You wrote:
and you "can't imagine" people using sustiva for recreational purposes?

What I wrote:
Really, I can't imagine people deliberately finding Sustiva for recreational purposes.

There - perhaps if you actually have the words side-by-side, and read them...back and forth, back and forth.

Perhaps you can see that I was not saying I found it hard to image people using Sustiva for recreational purposes. I was saying I found it hard to image people DELIBERATELY FINDING Sustiva for recreational purpose. I followed with an explanatory sentence that has one very significant point. It is expensive!!!!

OF COURSE people do all sorts of things for recreatational drug use. Duh....really???? I ate 30 Gravol (on more than one occassion) as at that dose it has a large enough amount of scopolamine to cause massive hallucinations. More to the point, it was cheap. I have been as stupid as one can be regarding this crap.

So, sure people will take anything, but how many people are going to - and I will use the word again - deliberately go find and acquire a drug that costs hundreds of dollars? When cheap s&$t is readily available.

Please read carefully.

Gerry
My paintings and sculpture
 
Not that I am being hyper-critical here. That is not my intention. It is a reaction to:
If you think people won't find a way to use and abuse ANY substance, then I think you may be a touch naïve.
I am - and frankly willing to bet - that I am fair less naive that you think regarding this subject.

I remember the actual day LSD was made illegal in this country. September 13, 1969.

I doubt if you can name a single organic substance that causes awareness adjustments that I have not tried at least once.

Ever seen those lovely "wood" roses that are used for dried flower arrangements? They are from Hawaii. They are full of amides of lysergic acid. In my younger crazy days I munched quite a few dried flower arrangements. I have crawled in heat of the desert for peyote. So, yeah. I am well aware that people will do all sorts of things.

Speaking of scopolamine, it is the active alkaloid in jimsom weed (Datura). This has to be one of the most intense of all the natural plant, ummmm, effectors.

It is fine to comment on someone as being naive, but it would be better if you actually considered what they said first.

Gerry
My paintings and sculpture
 
and damn...I wish there was a grammar/spellchecker here too. Hmmm, I guess I am going to have to put my own posts through a proper document app first myself....

Gerry
My paintings and sculpture
 
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