DNS Requirements 1

[bluntbill]

Hello.

I am thinking about changing my connection to one with a fixed IP and a higher bandwidth. I now use godaddy.com to manage my domains. I would like to change those domains to my server onde I change the connection.

Is there any requirements for me to be able to manage my domains and/or sell domain names? Do I need a minimum upload rate ou need to be ICANN accredited to sell? Are there any other requirements besides these?

Thank you in advance for your help.

 

[FaiTHLeSS]

Hi

If you thinking of running public DNS server on some sort of home connection such as cable or *dsl i wouldnt recommend it not saying you cant do it though, as these connections are never stable. But if you have some sort of leased line that a positive.

You will also need to run 2 DNS servers or more and not on the same connection, as if the connection should go down for any reason you will lose the ability to reslove any addresses.

Is there a reason you want to change from GODaddy to running your own server?

The speed of the connection really only matters depending on how many domains you are going to host and how many hits/requests the DNS server(s) are going to recieve at any given time.

Best place to host any sort of DNS server is some soft of dataserver with high availbilty and lots of peering/links to other networks.

As for selling domains im not 100% sure how you would go about that.

 

[bluntbill]

First of all, I am not able to redirect all traffic from my domain ate godaddy, just html requests. If i try to ssh my domain, the connection cannot be established to my pc.

I would also like to set up subdomains, nd I can't do it or can't find how to do it in godaddy.

Another important matter is that I have three domains registered with godaddy. If I manage them myself, I don't need to pay them.

And If my host goes down, the sites go down, so if the dns goes down too, that's not a problem...because everything is down...

By the way, if I start to manage the domains myself, what to I have to do to keep them registered? do I have to register them at ICANN? So that other companies like godaddy cannot sell that domain?

thank you for your previous reply

 

[ShackDaddy]

I wouldn't want to try and be my own registrar. I'd have to pay SOMEONE the $9 a year to keep the names registered.

The amount of money you spend to manage and sell names on GoDaddy is cheap compared to the amount you'd spend putting the infrastructure in place to sell them on your own. At least that's my opinion.

BTW, a registrar and a DNS manager are two very different things. For example, I pay companies like GoDaddy and ArborDomains to register domain names. But I either host my own DNS servers for those domains or I pay another company, ZoneEdit to manage my DNS functionality. And on some of the domains, I leave them at the registrar for DNS.

If it's the cost you're worried about, just pay the yearly name reg fee, and nothing else! Your domains don't even have to have working DNS servers to still be owned by you. And GoDaddy and most registrars don't usually charge you to use their DNS servers: that comes with the $9/year you are paying. And you are going to have to pay that no matter where you take the names, so you might as well do what's the least work/cost to you.

ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting

 

[bluntbill]

I don't know a lot about DNS so I'm a little confused about what you explained...

For exeample: I have my domains registered with GoDaddy. The requests are being redirected to my server. I can put a DNS server working on my machine to handle the redirections from godaddy? is that it?

Like I told you earlier, if I try to ssh.mydomain.com or anything other then

http://www.mydomain.com,

nothing reaches my server... And I wanted to create subdomais which I can't do in GoDaddy. If I install a DNS server on my machine, with the domains still registered with Godaddy, I'll be able to manage that funcionalities?

Thank you again

 

[FaiTHLeSS]

I dont know how godaddy work as i have never used them, but shackdaddy is right use some hoster todo your dns for you.

Look for someone who can offer the things you want, ie setuping up subdomains, your trying to make the sound of running DNS isnt but its far from it unless you really know what you are doing.

Also your could open yourself up to attacks which you dont really want at all, your best keeping the domains on some server hosted by a big company.

For such a small fee each year its not worth the hassle of you trying to set it up all yoruself.

What shackdaddy was trying to say was he goes to godaddy and registers the domains, then most likely from godaddy's control panel he points the domain NS setup to his own dns servers or zoneedits DNS.

It might sound fun to setup it all up yourself on your own connection but at the end of the day so many things can go wrong if done incorrectly. Also saying if one is down the rest is down is bad, if short TTL's are set or to long of TTL's are set on the records you could run into problems if you connection should ever gone down for a period of time.

 

[bluntbill]

What shackdaddy was trying to say was he goes to godaddy and registers the domains, then most likely from godaddy's control panel he points the domain NS setup to his own dns servers or zoneedits DNS" - that's exactly what I wanted... my own dns... By the way, i would still keep godaddy as my second DNS. that would prevent the TTL problems of the servers keeping wrong info about my downtime right? That way I would be able to configure my subdomains in my server, but if the server went down, godaddy would still keep my correct ip address, I think...

And of course that this is only a testing experience...Depending on the sucess that I would get configuring and keeping the system up, I would consider changing to a more reliable connection...

Thank you both

Any further help and opinions will be much appreciated

 

[FaiTHLeSS]

I would doubt godaddy allows zone transfers between their servers and your own server so it wouldnt work. They would prolly give you the option for one or the other. You host your DNS completely on your own servers, or they host it on their servers. I think you be lucky to get it split between them both.

Im not saying they dont do it but from experiance i havent seen many hosters that allow their servers to act at some sort of slave server and yours set as the master. Im sure there might be some provider out there that does it. Allowing open zone transfers with no restrictions can be risk to people finding network resources you dont want them to find to.

If your up for some reading on dns try reading some of the rfc's on DNS

http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/rfc/

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1034.txt

 

[ShackDaddy]

There's nothing GoDaddy won't do for an extra $3/month. That includes creating subdomains for you, if you want them. Trouble is that they are trying to sell you so many things, its sometimes hard to figure out where the thing you want is.

If you decide to set up your own DNS server, you would tell GoDaddy to use your DNS servers (specifying them by IP), and then you could create subdomains for yourself. If you want a server to serve as a secondary, typically you would ask your ISP for that service.

ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting

 

[bluntbill]

I haven't read yet those links you sent because now I'm a little short on time, but I'll take a look at them in a few days. Thanks for that faithless.

Shackdaddy: How does that work withthe ISPs? Is that something usual or may they find it weird that I am asking something like that? Does it normally come with a fee or do they usually provide that service for free?

And I would like to manage my own subdomains, because now I have 3 domains which could use subdomains, that would be an extra 9$ a month, for now... If I had my own DNS servers I would be able to redirect any traffic to my server right? including mail, ssh and others...since now I can't (I don't know if this is normal, if godaddy only redirects

http://www requests,

or if anything is wrong with my server).

Thank you

 

[bluntbill]

Since no one replied, I'll ask it again:

do I need to be accredited registrar to sell domains?

And with godaddy, what do I do? in the DNS I insert the ip of my server, and any requests to them will be redirected to my server? that wa yi'll be able to control eache and every subdomain I have, even if I keep them on godaddy for reliabiliy right? I widh so, because now, anything except

http://www.mydomain.org

won't reach my server...

Thank you

 

[ShackDaddy]

No. But the easiest way to sell domains (I think, through observation) is to use GoDaddy's domain auctions service. There are a lot of other services out there, but I don't know about them. The trick is to get people to notice the domain names you have for sale, and the best way to do that is to put them where people are looking for them.

Yes. Yes, that's a start. You will have to have a working DNS server running that has zones set up for each of the domains that you want to host DNS for. You will also need to make sure that you allow port 53 traffic through your firewall/router to your server.

There are also configurations you will want to make on your DNS server to secure it, but I can't go into them.

ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting

 

[bluntbill]

thank you for the quick reply!

I think I didn't make myself clear... What I want is for people to be able to buy domains from me that are not registered yet...And then manage them in my own server. I do not need to be accredited do do that?

the configurations of the dns server will come at due time...but it'll take a while, so for now I have other doubts

thank you again

 

[ShackDaddy]

Check out these sites. All of them would let you become a subreseller, getting clients on your own and selling domain names. I think they take a cut of between $6 and $8 per registered name:

directi.com
dotbag.com
namezoom.com
onlinenic.com


ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting

 

[bluntbill]

ah ok...

and If I do not want to be their reseller? because that imposes higher prices if I want profit... If I want to be a seller do I need accreditation?

 

[ShackDaddy]

Then you can give ICANN a $50,000 deposit and sell domains directly.

ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting

 

[bluntbill]

ok that was exactly what I wanted to know... Bu actually, I thinnk it's just $40,000 ;p

Thank you for your help. godaddy also has reseller plans. I if start on some of that services, te dns info will be on my server or on the godaddy (or the others you said) servers?

 

[ShackDaddy]

That completely depends on whether you go through the work it would take to host it or pay GoDaddy a nominal fee to have them host.

ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting

 

[bluntbill]

thanks a lot.

you've been very helpful.

This will be my stop whenever I need some help or hints.

 

[ShackDaddy]

Welcome to Tek-tips, bluntbill. I'm glad I was able to help you get things sorted out.

In the future, a great way to show appreciation to a helpful poster is to click the "Thank %helpfulperson% for this valuable post" link. I'm not asking that you to do that for this thread, but I know that other people who help you out in the future often appreciate getting stars. I guess it's substitute for cash, beer or chocolate.

ShackDaddy
Shackelford Consulting