CS1000E v4.5 upgrade to 5.5 CP PIV upgrade

[Malcybood]

Hi All,

I'm fairly new to Nortel CS1000E admin / hardware so go easy on me!

We are running a CS1000E v4.5 and are looking to plan upgrading to the 5.5 platform. We were advised that we would need to "upgrade our processors" for v5.5 to work.

From reading Nortel documentation it seems to me like we have substantial hardware requirements to do this CP PIV (Checked actual hardware and homepage of element manager).

I guess my question is, do we need additional software upgrade on the CP PIV to bring it up to spec and is this what the partner is referring to when they say the "processor needs upgraded"

or

Do you think they assumed we had a CP PII processor and would need to upgrade the hardware.

This is the document I've been researching and mainly page 91 - 102.

http://www142.nortelnetworks.com/techdocs/CS1K_5_5/pdf/NN43041-464_02.08_1K_E_HWUP.pdf

If there are any other elements that are required to be upgraded it would be appreciated if this could be pointed out also.

Apologies for the newbie question....not been on my training courses yet

Cheers

 

[edkender]

You can run on piv and pll processors. Your sig servers will need memory upgrades to 1 gig if they are not already.

 

[Malcybood]

Thanks edkender, why do you think we were told we needed to upgrade then?

This has been prohibitive to us carrying out the upgrade in 2008 due to not having the budget to upgrade the processors.

I was working on WAN/LAN data projects the last year and only just got involved in this side of things so I did think it was strange and done some research.....interesting

 

[MagnaRGP]

If your CS1000 MG is copper based (no fiber intergroup connections) that will need upgrading. Maybe they just presumed that you would be going to the CPPM processor?

Not knowing what is in the quoted upgrade makes it difficult for us to interpret the thought process behind it.

 

[tnphoneman]

We need the part number off the processors. Do you have PII or the older Motorola?

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[Malcybood]

MagnaRGP not sure if there are any fiber intergroup connections, all I know is the MG's connect via RJ45 from the card to the ELAN/TLAN....is this what you meant? Where/how do I check this out?

tnphoneman, I'll get the part number of the processors tomorrow if possible without removing them from the slot but they say PIV on the cards and look exactly the same as the processors CP PIV on page 93 of this document (Upgrading pre 5.0 to 5.5)

http://www142.nortelnetworks.com/techdocs/CS1K_5_5/pdf/NN43041-464_02.08_1K_E_HWUP.pdf

I guess this is my question on the processor is...are there different variations of the PIV processor?

I never received the quote personally, as I say I have just been dafted into this like today, so learning as I go (which is good). It was earlier in the year and the ball park figure was approx £30,000.....apparently! so not sure what the list price is for 2 processors or to upgrade to fiber intergroup connections??

It could be that "processor" has been mis-interpreted for something else and I've received this via chinese whispers as to what was actually quoted for.

 

[Malcybood]

just another question on this.

Looking a bit further into the upgrade documentation, is the CP PM required as well as the PIV? Do these do completely separate things?

The upgrade document I'm referring to is confusing as to wether you need both the PIV and CPPM or it's either or.

Thanks again

A confused CS1K newbie

 

[MagnaRGP]

Either/or. The CPPM can be configured as a signalling server OR a call server (CPU or Processor). The PIV can only be a CPU. Therefore, you COULD have both in your system, but serving different functions.

Regarding copper vs fiber, if you do not have any FIJI cards in the shelf with your CPU, then your system is copper-based, and that could account for the price.

 

[Malcybood]

MagnaRGP Thanks so much, makes sense & I understand. I will check that out tomorrow re the fiber cards.

Cheers
Malc

 

[tnphoneman]

Ok now I think understand what you have... A CS1000E with PIV processors and SSC cards in the media gateways right? I missed that earlier.

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[edkender]

Ok The piv processor's are fine. If you have the ssc cards in the media gateways I believe those would need to be replaced with the cppm boards. I don't believe the ssc boards support any ip functionality in release 5.5. Tdm is fine on the other hand.

 

[Malcybood]

tnphoneman yes that's correct

edkender are you sure the ssc's would need replaced with sppm boards?

I found this upgrade path presentation from Bell Canada which says to me we would only need to upgrade the sig servers to 1GB RAM.

This document is quoted as upgrading to v5 as opposed to 5.5 so are there major differences between 5 & 5.5 from h/w requirements perspective?

http://www.cannua.ca/presentations/presentations/oreo/040808_1.ppt

On slide 38 it indicates you can't use SSC's with CPPM but you can continue to use the SSC's....upgrading to the CPPM is optional.

Also going back to the fiber connectivity between the 2 systems, from this presentation it would say that what we have is fine. Slides 27 indicate v4.5 can be connected by 10M fiber, 100 Base T or 100 Base F

Slide 28 indicates we connect the cabinets with 100 Base T which we have already, but they communicate via G.711 as opposed to TDM.

Comments?

 

[Malcybood]

sorry meant cppm not sppm in previous post

 

[edkender]

Sorry about that. The media gateways do not have the cppm they have the mgc card as the controller. I did find a note in the upgrade guide that you can use the ssc as an ipmg for the media gateways. Here is the note out of the mgc.

Media Gateway Controller Card (MGC)
Note: Depending on the upgrade, the NTDW60BA MGC should replace
the Small System Controller (SSC) in the CPU card position (card 0) as
well as the SSC as media gateway in the expansion cabinets of the
MG 1000E. This statement applies strictly to CP PM Call Servers; CP II
and CP IV can have an SSC as the IPMG controller.
The CS 1000 MGC features include:
• Signaling and switching
• Conference and Tones
• Three remote SDI ports (NTDK48K)
• RMD slot
• Six external ethernet switch ports
• MGC 100BT Adapter (NTDW63AAE5)—Cabinets only

 

[MagnaRGP]

So i guess that we need to clarify what you are currently running. Is is truly a CS1000e or some other beast.

 

[edkender]

I'm pretty suere they are running 1000e by what he has put in the post's. The 1000e's signalling is all ethernet but we shall find out.

 

[Malcybood]

Not sure what other information you require.

I'll list everything maybe easier as the posts are becoming a bit scrambled;

- CS1000E v4.5 software platform
- Separate 1100 Sig server - may be 2 of hese for HA
- MG1000E
- MG1000T
- SSC Cards
- PIV processors in both cabinets connected together by Ethernet

Anything else you need to know about?

What a whirlwind couple of days, learned alot

 

[Malcybood]

oh yeah....

ELAN which is connected to a baystack switch and TLAN connected to separate Baystack switch.

 

[edkender]

You have a 1000 e. I think you should be fine with the ssc's as the Ipmg. Let me know if you need anything else. Try to get a detailed explanation from your vendor for the reason they need to change them out.

 

[Malcybood]

edkender We definitely will!

Thanks for the help guys, have a good weekend.