CICS extention at Guard House

[DaveThePhoneDoctorLV]

I have a client that has a CICS and wanted to extend an ext. to the guard house main gate so they could use the intercom, paging and transfer features etc. This is a very busy single family community and they needed a fast way to reach each other.

There is a pedistle that is owned by the property where all the service terminates and when I toned out a dead pair with no battery I showed a 25 pair that terminated at the clubhouse were the CICS is located and a 25 pair for the gurad house.

I jumpered a pair inside the pedistal over that I wanted to use for the 7316 no problem there I got a clear toner signal and if I add CO dial tone to that pair I get a clear connection all this from clubhouse to guard house.

The problwm happens when I punched down the pair to the CICS on the 66 block and try to use a CICS ext. port at the KSU I then get a loud hum on the line. I conected a 7316 and it tries over and over to boot up flashing the indicators but I guess because of the hum it won't start up.

I have tried this with severla pairs and I get the same thing over and over again. I get no battery so I should have a straigh connection back to the CICS at the clubhouse.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

 

[DaveThePhoneDoctorLV]

DO you mean another above ground pedistal?

 

[Mountainbear]

It sounds like your pairs do not stop at the guard house but continue on down the road. If it wasn't so far I would try running a temp straight from the KSU across the lawn, driveway whatever. I have found Nortel sets don't like wire past the Jack. You could cut the feed going back to the co or down the road but the telco tends to frown upon that. Doubling the pairs is also a good idea since you will effectivly be increasing the guage of the wire.

 

[DaveThePhoneDoctorLV]

Thanks for the continued help troubleshooting.

I did take advice and double pair but only toas far as the from the Nortel to the CLubhouse BT. Should I try all the way to the guard houe?

Do you suspect that something at the CO is causing an interference once the Nortel signal is applied? Could there be some sort of automatic CO security feature that is being applied to the lines to block any use of the lines that run all the way back to the CO?

This ped. is unused it has cob webs inside and has had not jumper wires at all but contains all the service ( dial tone )thru this entire community so it sound like what you suggested another one probably on the street.

 

[gforce9]

Nate,
Are you saying your cable to the guard shack runs through the phone company's pedestal or that the pedestal in question is definatly yours (customers) and merely has dial tone going to other buildings from the demarc? There is most certainly a cable issue going on! If that pedestal has scotchlocs, find one of your open pairs and pull it apart to see if it's corroded. Resplice it with good, clean copper showing. There could be a wet, buried splice somewhere, too. If that's the case, someone needs to decide if it's worth the time to find, fix, repair (or replace)that cable. There could be a tap somewhere. This is the crappy part of the job for us.....being detectives. If it is Telco's pedestal, you are in a quagmire there....too many issue to list including legalities......

 

[silver987]

If this is in fact a telco cable you can not just use a pair out of it. You must contact the local telco and lease a pair. They will in turn come out and give you a pair from the guard house to the ksu.

Wayne T

 

[jerryreeve]

since you have a CICS you probably have an unused analog extension (port 117, the IATA) as noted way above analog phones work under conditions that will make a digital set choke. You can at least check feasibility of using an analog phone over what you have for copper. Using an analog phone may be all that is needed out there. Feature codes are still available to the phone just not on feature buttons.
As noted above by Wayne, if you are talking about the telco Pedestal that is the telco property and they can get real touchy about you getting into that and taking a pair. It could get costly if they want to push it. It may be your ped. because some telco's have abandoned campus cables to the customer after the breakup. Check it out carefully though.

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[curlycord]

Sounds like an old OPX line and not a direct feed cable if C.O. is mentioned.


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[DaveThePhoneDoctorLV]

Update:

Had a friend of the telco come out and he said that this may actually be tied out to the street as he was able to pull up records showing a feed from the street. This Ped looks like it has not been opened or used in 20 years.

He said it may be a Load Coil on the line and that is why there is the hum and that he is going to try to help me set up an OPX from the clubhouse to the street then back to the guard house.

I will keep you informed.

Thank you